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They're not interested in getting the message. The dog whistles went out a long time ago and there's no calling them back.

Unless you've spent time around these people, it is almost impossible to really grasp how little understanding they have of factual reality.

I guarantee you they all think the left killed Charlie Kirk. Their whole picture of the world is formed from absolutely insane Republican propaganda. They probably don't even really encounter the "theory" that the assassin was sent by anyone else, but when they do see it in passing, it can be safely discounted like lemmy.ml discounts Wikipedia, because the whole media is a ~~NATO~~ liberal lie machine that's just designed to destroy them. And they all get together with each other and aggressively reinforce to each other the model they've been given. It gives them a warm feeling of belonging, because there is almost no community or brotherhood in American society in the present day, and so they're getting something they need way deep deep down in their soul, from being able to get together and feel like they're on the same team with trusted allies against a genuine threat, and talk together and get amped up facing all in the same direction and feel together.

The left killed Charlie Kirk. Biden stole the election. The planes are crashing because of DEI. Michelle Obama is a man. Kids are peeing in litter boxes at school. The left is doing post-birth abortions, or pushing the babies back up into the mother so they can kill it and call it an abortion. Men are joining women's sports and going into women's bathrooms and saying they're "transgender" and it's a horrifying threat, the little girls are getting beat up when they just want to do sports. Covid was mostly just a bad cold that the pharmaceutical companies made into a big deal, and the vaccine is killing people.

It's just a nonstop avalanche of nonsense, and they all think it's all true. Every word. Another thing that American society has denied to them is a solid grasp on the world outside, an understanding of history and the forces that are shaping their daily lives. They definitely know that the life they live isn't the way it's supposed to be. But they don't really have the critical thinking skills they would need in order to poke holes in this whole explanation they get for why that is (which they get inundated with), and they would pay a punishing social cost if they ever started questioning even the elements that really don't make much sense. But most of it genuinely makes sense to them. They hear it every day at loud, loud volume, and they don't hear much else.

And part of what they know for sure is who to blame: You and me. We ruined the world they worked so hard to build, and now we're openly assassinating their leaders. And so why wouldn't they fight "back"?

They believe the left consists of no one but minorities, lgbtq, and women.

I'm not kidding at all. I can walk right up to these conversations people will have and no one will blink an eye.

But they believe it so much that they will kill other white men who don't conform to the group. That's why Kirk was killed. He was a man that existed outside the in-group and needed to be cleaned up.

I have reliable intel that Saddam Hussein was behind this

Ignore reality. Fight against your perceived threats. The blacks, immigrants, women who stand up to you, and people who make you feel bad.

White men fight back... Against other white men... Or something...

I'm sure that's exactly what they were all thinking as they let some air out of their monster truck tries and made sure the 37 flags were all set before they drove onto the beach with their cooler full of natty daddies.

Absolutely, when white men are being oppressed, it's generally by other white men. So I guess white men are fighting back against other white people. But no that's not it, for some reason they are oppressing minorities of all kinds instead, because skin color and culture scares them. In fact everything scares them, like science and everything based on reason even human rights are scaring them now, so they want to take them away.
Why? Because they are so fucking stupid, they are scared of everything about society, because they understand nothing, and that makes them scared.
You don't have to be white for that, problem is when the majority with all the money and power feel that way, things must have gone completely haywire in that society. They are oppressed by their own, but blame everybody else!!!

Regarding Charlie Kirk specifically, he was white right wing extremist who condoned gun violence, who was killed by another white right wing extremist, who used gun violence to kill him.

What the fuck is it they think they are protesting? They are their own worst enemy, not normal sensible people who actually care about other people. Or what they call "radical left".

just wear eyeliner ... You'll outgrow it.

JD Vance: Instructions unclear.

"If anyone smacks you on the right cheek, turn and slap that mofo upside the head" : Trump 3:16

I mean, sooner or later, yes.

IIRC the traditional response to x-on-x violence has been "good, let 'em kill each other" and conservatives love traditions

You're acting like they feel shame or care about their hypocrisy. If they're knowingly acting in bad faith from the start, there's really only one way to deal with them.

I think people have a pretty distorted view of the cultural background of ww2: Folks were anti-Nazis because they were "the bad guys", not because of their ideology. I mean, sure , a fair few people probably thought fascism was shit but the popular acrimony against Germany et al was not anti-fascist in essence. it was simply old-fashioned war and they were the enemy.

Just like all the racist jokes your shitty uncle made about Saddam in the 90s and/or 2000s

Naw, parties are fun, this is sad.

One can only hope. First time I heard the white replacement theory I said "thank God, we sure as shit ruined it for everyone else."