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I've got no problem with them, but these are obviously kids who grew up in a different age than me, and it shows, I know what could seem a joke to me could come off different to them. Especially this being In the trades and the type of jokes we make here. I don't want to make anyone uncomfortable, we're all trying to just get through the day after all

Edit: I have learned, they used to be female, transitioned to male. (So trans-masc? I'm probably messing that up) Lesbian, and non-binary, thankfully they brought it up which was very helpful as I wasn't sure if it was appropriate to ask

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[–] Hello_there@fedia.io 142 points 5 days ago (21 children)

Just start saying 'they' for everyone that's work related. No matter on LGBT status.
Makes it easier to not fuck up.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 47 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I already do this with because of how many people I know and work with that have names not exclusively used by men or women.

[–] njordomir@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I work with enough foreigners that I almost HAVE to do this since I rarely see them face to face and have no real indicators aside from their name. If your name is 20 characters long and 18 of them are consonants, I'm gonna use "they" at work, just to avoid any undue offense. So far, if someone had a problem with me it was because of my employer, not my own words or behavior.

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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

It’s a good place to start. Sometimes a trans person wants gendered pronouns. But it’s better to use something neutral than to use the wrong one. I have always found that if you use the actual right pronouns, even once, it shows you are trying and that is appreciated forever.

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[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 107 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Probably wouldn't be a bad idea to do something along the lines of stating upfront that "if anyone in the company does anything to offend you, please report it to the appropriate channels. You'll have our full support. We're here to get work done, not to make people feel bad"

You're not likely going to say by accident something they haven't heard before, or to offend them in a new and novel way, But establishing and occasionally reinforcing the fact that they don't have to tolerate it, that putting up with abuse is not part of their job, and that they have the boss's backing at the same level of the non-LGBTQ employees should they find themselves being abused or offended, would probably go a decent way in minimizing the risk of something actually bad happening.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 108 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"... and if I accidentally say or do something offensive, tell me and I'll try to learn better."

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago

This whole thread is very good

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 5 days ago (2 children)

please report it to the appropriate channels

Telling them that you personally will be there for them is really the only guarantee you can make without blindly relying on third parties to act with compassion. So telling them to come to you so that you can then together go through the rest of the process is imo the better idea. They can always choose to just ignore you, but making them go to some shitty HR office by themselves also sucks.

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[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You’re not likely going to say by accident something they haven’t heard before, or to offend them in a new and novel way

Not OP, but you underestimate my foot in mouth capacity.

20 years ago, my sister was dating a jock. Real body builder type. Probably a bigger musclehead than most pro-wrestlers.

What I was trying to convay is that we should make a superhero costume for him to wear, and make a comic book out of it.

What was percieved instead is that he should run around town and suck everybodys nuts in his mouth for their approval.

I DARE you to try to connect how that came out so wrongly worded.

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[–] Fleur_@aussie.zone 14 points 5 days ago

Well maybe only say this if it's true

[–] zebidiah@lemmy.ca 86 points 4 days ago (3 children)

You're not a dick for getting someone's pronouns wrong... You're a dick if you intentionally and continuously misgender them on purpose.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

I still mess up my sister's spouse. They're NB, but kept their name, hobbies, etc. To me, they're the exact same awesome person they've always been, so I still screw up and call them by male pronouns.

I 100% support them, but I screw up and it feels bad.

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[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 80 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Im trans with over 10 years of experience in the industry

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There's really not a lot to it. We just want a basic level of respect and empathy. Respect their chosen names and pronouns, and don't ask them random questions about being trans unless they're open to it. Trust them when/if they talk about their experiences, they know more about themselves than you do. Reassure them that their job is a safe space.

Happy to answer any questions.

Edit: if you slip up on name/pronouns, simply apologize, correct yourself, and move on. We know people aren't always trying to be malicious. Hell, my dad still slips up on my pronouns.

[–] kralk@lemm.ee 60 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Im trans with over 10 years of experience in the industry

The... trans industry? How much does it pay?

[–] pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Lol gonna get me a job forcefemming people

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[–] reptar@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (2 children)
[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Blahaj and programming socks (the yearly bonus is a Thinkpad)

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 49 points 5 days ago

Treat them like anyone else by default and make accommodations if you need to and it's reasonable.

You're asking with good intentions, but the best answer for any group will always be that. Shit, not even by groups. On a human by human basis just do that, there's a crazy amount of human variation and it's not always obvious.

[–] cattywampas@lemm.ee 34 points 5 days ago

First of all, good for you for asking the question. I think many people are afraid to ask these things even if they want to be respectful and inclusive for fear of coming off as backward or ignorant, but I think asking questions in good faith shows that we're willing to listen and learn.

But most importantly, just treat them with the same respect you'd treat anyone else! Gender identity isn't really that big of a deal, and after you get to know some trans folks you'll come to that realization quickly that they're just regular people!

[–] Pudutr0n@feddit.cl 34 points 5 days ago (3 children)

This is not a comprehensive list, but you should probably avoid talking about your sex life.

[–] proper@lemmy.world 51 points 5 days ago (2 children)

good advice for any workplace

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 30 points 5 days ago (2 children)
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[–] PhobosAnomaly@feddit.uk 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

But how can I impress people with my competitive qualities? I had fourteen sex last night, and before that I did four sets of three sex at a time.

I'm even the speedruns any% TAS WR holder at 3.19 seconds.

Do my colleagues not need to know about this???

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago (1 children)

As a trans woman who routinely has to deal with "shop talk" my advice is that since theyre young explain the way that it works to them and let them know how to speak up when shit gets uncomfortable.

Cleaning it up and getting professional and polite would theoretically be great, but the fact is that their career will involve this and if everyone has to clean up their language resentment will build and people will just exclude them. Meanwhile everyone should feel comfortable saying "too far" or "hey you're hitting a sore spot" or even "not cool".

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[–] pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Honestly, just tell them to let you know, in private if they feel it necessary, if you make them uncomfortable. In general, jokes about people being trans/gendernonconforming are ok, as long as it's not the one "joke" -- identifying as an attack helicopter/dragon/ridiculous things. Pretty much just don't make fun of them for being trans, but it's fine finding humor about their transition, if it makes sense. It's generally pretty easy to tell when someone has a problem with you being trans and is going to be a dick to you under the veil of humor, and when someone is joking around with you. Just make sure they know to let you know if you make them uncomfortable, and tey not to be a dick. The fact that you're asking makes me think pretty much anything you'd consider saying is forgivable at worst.

Edit: I kinda fixated on the joke part, mostly because everything else is pretty simple. If you mess up pronouns or anything like that, don't make a big deal out of it, just correct yourself and move on. They're just another person

[–] Yermaw@lemm.ee 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I want to live in the timeline where a super-scientist gets sick of the attack helicopter meme and makes "attack helicopter reassignment surgery" possible and available.

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[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well, one thing I know is: make sure you don't out them. If a kid has transphobic parents, you really don't want to accidentally inform them their kid is trans.

[–] Mastersmacks@reddthat.com 12 points 4 days ago (5 children)

I mean I just stay out of peoples personal lives as a principal

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[–] DrivebyHaiku@lemmy.ca 25 points 3 days ago

Hey, Non-binary trans masc person in trades here.

I can tell you how I perceive different types of co-worker if it helps you want to dial in what it's like on the other side of the experience. There's layers to the whole situation and as non-binary folks we understand what we are asking for isn't automatically going to click and requires people to figure us out.

First up : Most of us end of day aren't going to rock the boat for anything less than fully agregious behaviour so calls to report other people for being mildly offensive are probably not actually going to go anywhere. Most of us are scared of being labelled "a problem" so we just take the hits when they come. If you are a boss and notice a non-binary person sticking closer to specific people and avoiding others there's a good chance that they've found the people who are safe and avoiding ones who aren't. A great accommodation that can invisibly help is just to recognize this strata and if a task nessesitates putting people together try and pair along these lines. A lot of co-workers wait until other people aren't around to let their nastier behaviour shine.

Now to co-worker types. Aside from the full on transphobe or problem persons there's a range of different stages of cool people.

The "I don't really get it" Co-worker pays lip service to the polite aspects of using pronouns. They are the type to introduce you to others by misgendering you and then flap their hands and go "Oh no sorry 'they'". We know they don't get it or don't really care. The misgendering still hurts but they are fairly benign. They make these accidents non maliciously and are afforded grace. If they step in it we basically disregard because they aren't really worth the effort of getting too comfortable around. We make these accommodations for strangers daily. Annoying but nessisary.

The "in training" co-worker is one whom is encountering their very first trans person. They want you to be their Obi wan and their enthusiasm is a bit of a double edged sword at times. It's tiring to teach people to dance when they keep stepping on your feet but the job needs doing. Some of us veiw this as our own brand of service to the cause of normalizing ourselves more widely. Some of us just don't want to be bothered. Either way, just wanting to learn is heaps better than ambivalence. If you fuck up something, don't make a big deal about it. It's not that you're a terrible person and should have known better. Our stuff takes practice and we know it's not intuitive.

The "A little too up in our shit" co-worker is excited to know the real you but looks at you as a beautiful creature in need of preservation. They might seek to advocate on your behalf or behind your back but the attempt is clumsy and often at odds with a non-binary person's desire to just get through the workday as a regular human and not make waves. Good enthusiasm sure, we're probably friends but for the love of God we're adults and we can sort out our own shit if need be.

The "Understands the Assignment" co-worker is just comfortable to be around. They don't have to be the most tuned in to all the nuance about our specific needs in ways we require more out of partners, family and friends but they treat our basic requirements as no big deal, maybe they occasionally ask questions to check in if they catch us struggling or reacting but aren't going to narc to the boss on our behalf. They either avoid all stereotypes associated with sex or in the case of trans mascs/trans femmes they treat us like one of the boys/girls. Gold standard.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago

I’m trans, and have also worked with trans kids. Sometimes outed myself when it was safe - showing young trans men that yes, you can be a man.

It really comes down to “what name and pronouns would you me to call you by?”

If you want to go above and beyond: “would you like me to correct/step in for you if someone calls you by the wrong names/pronouns?” I feel this is a place where adult advocates can have good impact.

“Does your family know/should I use your legal name when talking to your family?”

See the child as a person who deserves dignity and respect, who is in a vulnerable position and does need unconditional support. Which is true for all children. You don’t have to put up a progress flag or wear a rainbow pin - these can certainly be very good things to do - but at the end of the day, just honor the child.

[–] Artisian@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If you wanna go the extra mile, skimming an ally guide for 10 minutes, looking up some terminology and concepts, would reduce awkwardness by a fair bit. I certainly would have avoided a half dozen missteps if I did some reading.

[–] Mastersmacks@reddthat.com 11 points 5 days ago

This is super helpful, thank you!

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Good on ya for making an effort and being open to learning. I would buy you a beer if I could.

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[–] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip 16 points 5 days ago

I'm trans. To me the most important thing about jokes in the workplace is when a cis person says something that I can twist into being a deadpan trans joke (of varying riskiness depending on the group). Either the cis person will softlock while trying to determine the ethics of laughing or they'll go for it and potentially apologize. It's always a win in my book though

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

Just be yourself & be open. There'll always be troublemakers on all sides

[–] HappyTimeHarry@lemm.ee 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

Im curious what could come off as a joke to you but would offend a trans person but not offend other (similarly aged) people.

If your joke might be offensive to anyone, its probably best to save it for outside of the workplace if you share it at all.

Not saying dont make any jokes, just that your jokes shouldn't be referencing someones gender or appearance or at the expense of someone else in general.

[–] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 9 points 5 days ago

Its impossible to know if your joke might be offensive to others when you live different lifestyles.

It's like telling people not to serve food that might be prohibited by the religion of one of their dinner guests when they have never interacted with the religion before.

What OP does here is trying to educate himself, which is the right move, in my opinion.

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[–] Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

Your job is to train them. They're people. You're a person. Just go with that

I think if you love as a person them you'll be good.

That's what I do and it's worked out pretty great!

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Generally, keep humor work related, and it'll be fine no matter who it is. Well, there's always that asshole that thinks you have to be a robot at work, but with that sort, it doesn't matter anyway.

Beyond that, either stay neutral with pronouns, or use those that a person introduces.

I promise you, just those two things are going to go a long way in establishing respect and camaraderie.

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[–] shaggyb@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

If you struggle with pronouns, apologize casually when the pronouns come up.

As a fellow old, the kids don't seem to necessarily get it that my brain is wired pretty hard not to change pronouns, but they do seem to appreciate the effort and the discussion that it's a challenge rather than just fucking it up with no explanation.

Otherwise, be mindful that they take a lot of shit for parts of themselves that are background attributes for the rest of us. They can get pretty tired of it. A friendly person who regards them as just people may be the best thing they can get from anyone.

[–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

I can't speak for trans people, but i would expect that the best course of action is to be yourself and dont mock anyone. You can rib and have a laugh, but dont open with a whole script of trans jokes. Get to k ow them, like you would with anyone and learn the boundaries naturally. If you think of them as different, you will be on edge the whole time and are more likely to mess up.

If you make any mistakes, just be sure to apologise, and i am sure any of them would understand. Ultimately, as far as i understand it, trans people just want to be accepted and allowed to be them selves and be a part of society. The only way that happens is if we dont treat them differently, whether thans positively or negatively.

[–] Nikls94@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Since there already are a lot of good answers, do it like in Full Metal Jacket "I don’t look down on you if you’re x, y, z or something - you’re all equally worthless"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tHxf17yJsKs&pp=ygUiZHJpbGwgaW5zdHJ1Y3RvciBmdWxsIG1ldGFsIGphY2tldA%3D%3D

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[–] termaxima@programming.dev 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

The thing most people get wrong is mentioning someone’s assigned gender (the one they were presumed to have at birth) instead of the one they actually are. Being reminded constantly of the one thing you absolutely don’t want to be is really disheartening, even when it’s not done on purpose.

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