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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 252 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Media keeps saying "criminal." Exercising Constitutional rights does now make anyone criminal, natural born citizen or not. I gave up on mediaite being unbiased long ago, but we need to call out language of complicity.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 148 points 1 week ago (4 children)

People forget that all the people the Nazi's put in camps were also criminals. According to Nazi propaganda, they were responsible for the deaths of millions of Germans in WW1, for impoverishing hardworking Germans in the Great Depression and for terrorism in resistance to the Nazi regime.

No regime ever has admitted to locking up an innocent person. No dictator has ever said "Yeah, I put innocent people in jail".

This is why we have separation of powers. The executive branch has zero authority to call anyone a criminal. Only the independent court system has that authority.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 40 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Oddly enough, Trump's DOJ did straight up admit they sent an innocent guy in to El Salvador, and said they can't get him back.

[–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 41 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No, no... they didn't say they couldn't get him back. They said they don't have to, even though the supreme court upheld the district court order to facilitate his return. In a rare unanimous decision I might add. They're not even trying to pretend they care what the courts say at this point.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-defy-supreme-court_n_67fd3ad6e4b0c8069e85c34e

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[–] valtia@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They also didn't say he was innocent, the opposite actually. The official narrative is that he's super guilty of a million crimes, he was just "administratively" deported incorrectly, however the deportation is still serendipitous and deserved.

Obviously, he's innocent. That's clear for anyone except the most die-hard MAGA cultist. So, like, the average FOX viewer

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[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

Paragraph 175 of the German code made homosexuality illegal. It had already been illegal under Weimer and the Reich before, with varying degrees of enforcement. The Nazis strengthened it, started going after even non penetrative sex.

Pink triangle prisoners were among the lowest of the low, similar to Jews. The goal was to work them to death, in the brick works. Theres a lot of horrific fucked up sexual sadism when you read these accounts. (Having sex with a man is only gay if you love him, I guess)

Then, when the camps were liberated:

The American policy toward gay inmates in the US-controlled zone of occupation was based on the Handbook for Military Government in Germany Prior to Defeat or Surrender, which was compiled by the Combined Chiefs of Staff of the US Military in 1944. Part of the Handbook was dedicated specifically to directing American troops how to classify and handle the large number of concentration camp survivors. The policy for those interned based on criminal actions stated, "Ordinary criminals with a prison sentence still to serve will be transferred to civil prisons." Since many pink triangle prisoners had been convicted of violating Paragraph 175, a law of the German Criminal Code that predated the Nazi regime, the Americans also classified them as criminals. Therefore, those who had not finished serving their sentence were often transferred to prisons.

Homosexuality remained illegal in West Germany until the 70s. This also meant that there weren’t even accounts of the things that happened in those camps, because the social stigma didn’t go away…

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 224 points 1 week ago (4 children)

We've already seen the creep: first it was violent illegal immigrants, then it was any illegal immigrants, then it was immigrants waiting for due process on their case, then it was green card holders - not necessarily a lot of them, but enough to establish precedents and see how far they can get.

Now they're saying "violent US citizen-criminals" - but they run the state that determines whether you're a criminal and how violent your crimes was. Remember all those videos of non-resisting people being screened at by the cops "Stop resisting!"; remember bills in Florida and other states to label trans people sex offenders - that's what we're up against. Any resistance or non-conformity can and likely will be punished.

"First they came for ... "

[–] match@pawb.social 74 points 1 week ago (1 children)

they're even inventing new language for it: "homegrowns"

[–] conicalscientist@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think it's not new. "homegrown terrorist" -> "homegrowns".

I'm speculating they're going to use that angle. Using precedents set by The War on Terrorism (TM) to justify the next steps. The 50501 movement needs to be preparing organized legal supports for anyone who gets disappeared. I bet this is who they are going after next. Summer is coming. The protests are ramping up. What if it's as soon as the April 19th event.

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[–] valtia@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago

Also worth mentioning that they've only been snatching people off the street, meaning people who didn't have any active warrants. If they did have warrants, they probably would have been arrested already. They're not deporting people who are already in prison. At this point, "criminal" means anyone suspected of a crime, and that suspicion extends to any kind of criminal record, even if you've already served time.

Obviously, they're going to drop the "criminal" pretense soon enough, but they will start grabbing ex-felons first. I'm terrified for members of my family who absolutely fit the description of these kinds of targets: ex-felons with tattoos who look vaguely brown.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 139 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Feel like I’ve been saying this a lot recently, but it’s pertinent:

Camp Auschwitz was in Poland, not Germany.

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 117 points 1 week ago (47 children)

Fuck you, Trump. Make yourself an enemy to all. We will not back down.

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[–] SpikedPunchVictim@lemmy.world 90 points 1 week ago (6 children)

My Great Grandmother shot and killed an officer that was taking her family away to a concentration camp. Is that where we're heading?

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's a pretty good likelihood that stuff like that is in our future.

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[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's where you are I think.

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 86 points 1 week ago (15 children)

This is exactly why the 2nd amendment exists.

Those of you who have served in the military and swore an oath to protect us from domestic enemies, please seriously consider honoring your oath before the rest of us have to do it for you.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 35 points 1 week ago (18 children)

when ice is coming to get me, no amount of weaponry will save me, all I'll do is take some nazis with me.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I want to be very clear here. If they take you, at A MINIMUM, they will beat you, torture you, SA you, and deny you civil rights and human rights. At worst, you die. You want all these slack jawed jackasses that won't raise holy hell about the government already doing this to immigrants, you're dead anyway. ''ICE kills US citizen'' is a much stronger headline than ''Trump says he will do this to citizens'' additionally when the ICE agents have to deal with the fact that ''just following orders'' includes a high chance of death, they might question the orders.

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[–] Doctor_Satan@lemm.ee 75 points 1 week ago (7 children)

They won't stop unless someone makes them stop. That's how movements like this work, every single time. They never wind down on their own. They have to constantly keep increasing the cruelty and extremism, or else their base will see weakness and abandon them. However bad you think it is now, it's only going to get worse, unless someone puts an end to it. Historically, there are only a few ways a fascist movement has ever been stopped, and none of them are pretty.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Generally, things chug along getting worse and worse, until suddenly we reach a tipping point. Then something happens, often small and innocuous, and it tips. Then there's no stopping it.

The Berlin Wall came down when a single guard decided on his own that he wasn't going to stop the growing crowd that appeared after an East German government official accidentally declared at a press conference that they would finally allow emigration, following increasingly large protests. When the world woke up that morning, NOBODY knew this would happen that day. Not a single intelligence agency anywhere on the planet predicted it. It totally surprised the entire world.

Its likely that protests and outrage in America will grow, even among disgruntled MAGAs, and one day, its just going explode, probably over something fairly small. The fuse has already been lit.

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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 60 points 1 week ago (5 children)

If you are non-white in the US, you should be carrying around a replica grenade when you leave the house, and if they gestapo try to grab you can try to bluff your way back to safety.

I'm only joking a little.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 49 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I started carrying again. "Feared for my life" will ring very true with real consequences.

[–] xpinchx@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Same, I used to just carry in my neighborhood while walking my dog but I'm daily carry now.

-Gun toting democrat

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[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Hell, at this point if you're non-white or an any-race non-Trump supporter. You're the enemy and a criminal if you've ever spoken out against the administration, Israel, or for equal rights, etc.

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[–] Monstrosity@lemm.ee 58 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

If there is no due process & the sentence is death, then Americans must resist arrest at all costs.

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[–] SaintOwlPizza25@lemm.ee 41 points 1 week ago

This is unbelievable, I could be deported. Me and my Dad were born on a military base, but that will not matter or my Grandpa was a respected general. My name isn't English, tattoos, but I'm white and don't know Spanish. El Salvador will be a death sentence in more than one way.

Like I'm telling the few people I have and it's being downplayed, "that won't happen", " or "stay off the news and go have fun, you're stressing out". Like no, I'm gearing up for whatever comes, plan A to Z. I will NOT be torn away what I built for my family or my kids future.

[–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 40 points 1 week ago (5 children)

The best advice I can give: leave the Untied States if you can

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Um how? Who wants American Refugees?

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[–] fwdbias@lemm.ee 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I have been unable to convince my spouse despite 9 years of trying. Really sad because we had two good options but chose to stick it out because of family (I say to hell with them but don't have a veto proof majority there).

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[–] gamer@lemm.ee 38 points 1 week ago (7 children)

This makes Bukele complicit in the crimes of the Trump administration, right? Isn't he worried about the repercussions when the rule of law is restored in the US?

He is illegally kidnapping and restraining US citizens.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No, he's not worried. And he has good reason not to be. He knows history. Obama didn't hold the Bush administration officials responsible for their crimes. In fact, he happily kept using many of those illegal powers himself. And Biden didn't hold the first Trump administration accountable for their crimes.

Liberal Democrats have a core character flaw. They don't like confrontation. It's the same impulse that causes them to reflexively seek out compromise with Republicans at every turn. They have this narcissistic trait that makes them think they can achieve their place in history by being a grand peacemaker. They always seek reconciliation without accountability.

I guarantee you, if another centrist Dem manages to win in 2028, their very first official act will be to come before the nation, try to be the grand peacemaker, and announce, "it is time for the nation to move on, all is forgiven!"

They can't help themselves. They're cowards to their core.

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Time to buy a gun. The left needs to arm themselves fuckin' yesterday.

Don't think that they won't come for you. The law is powerless to protect you from having your rights trampled on under this administration. All it takes is for King Trump to declare you a gang member and they have carte blanche authority to disappear you off the street.

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[–] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I look forward to hearing of Trumps very timely, very well earned death. I hope tomorrow.

[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

With the way things are going, that fuck would die peacefully in his sleep.

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[–] tanisnikana@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I suspected about two weeks ago that I would, at some point, be a likely candidate for being sent to CECOT on the basis of daring to be transgender, and this is only more supporting evidence that it’s gonna happen.

[–] boughtmysoul@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

Unfortunately you’re absolutely correct to be worried about this. Part of Project 2025 is the criminalization of Transgendered people under the rubric that they are inherently “pornographic”.

[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

Donald Trump is literally, yes, using the correct expression: literally -- a homegrown criminal.

[–] Bonus@lemm.ee 24 points 1 week ago

Read up on Bukele, if you haven't already. Yet another tyrannical blueprint for Trump.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayib_Bukele

[–] j_co@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

Ah shit. Orange Hitler finally floating his true intent. lets see what americans can do. please dont tell me you made fun of the French as pussies without backing up how much more aggressive american citizens can be demanding their own rights… lets see americans back it up!

[–] BowlingForBowls@lemmy.today 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The gays, the blacks, the Latinos, the homegrowns, anything to avoid words that humanize their targets. Conservatives are people no more and no less than those they target.

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I can't stress this enough, arm yourselves.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He is literally begging to be put down like a rabid animal

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[–] andallthat@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

if things get any shittier, this administration is going to have to stop people at the border in the opposite direction

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[–] Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

Guillotines

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I wonder what kind of payoff Bukele is getting from Trump to keep someone that Bukele admits was wrongly sent to El Salvador but he refuses to return him.

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