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[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 82 points 3 days ago

Look how far we’ve come in health care. There are hot 95 year olds in my area. People live to 70/80/90/100. We’ve eradicated diseases and almost cured cancer until America abandoned science. Sorry about your family, thoughts and prayers and ribbons and crowdfunding.

A huge portion of the population is part of this. It’s not just nurses (who are hospitals) and doctors, but everyone from porters to trauma leads (if they aren’t fired by DOGE). From bystanders calling 911 to pharmacological researchers. Study participants to search and rescuers with wives in labour.

It’s our crowning achievement. Especially since we blew the information revolution by giving it to our bully lords.

Are there people involved in care with primarily selfish motivation? Of course. But we built this on empathy. It runs on empathy (and caffeine). Billions care for you because they have empathy.

It’s not our flaw. It’s our feature. It’s a deficiency to lack empathy. A deficiency of humanity.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 64 points 3 days ago (9 children)

I know it’s bad to dehumanize people, but sometimes I can’t help myself when we’re talking about a person who completely lacks empathy. It’s like they walk and talk exactly like a person does, but they’re missing something essential.

[–] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Perfectly said. My ex was a legit psychopath and they are not like us.

We were adopting a cat. On the form it says "reasons you would get rid of the cat" shit you not this dude starts writing biting, clawing, yelling like genuinely asnwering what he would do.

Had to stop him and say but not say "act like a human".

[–] Genius@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The word psychopath comes from the Greek words psyche, meaning soul, and pathos, meaning suffering. So in Greek, psychopath means suffering soul.

What a shit name.

Fortunately, English speaking doctors invented a better name. Antisocial personality disorder.

[–] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Damn that fits him even better.

Dude was assaulted multiple times by a professor causing him to drop out and forever associate his passion with SA.

Truly a tragic existence for a piece of garbage.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

It could be dispathos, "lacking soul".

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[–] WhatThaFudge@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Tolerance of intolerance is contradictory.

There is no defense for intolerance.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Unless it's intolerance of intolerance.

"Welcome to my house, here everybody is welcomed and respected, but if you choose to make somebody's life difficult because they're different from you your ass will be on the curb before you can raise your palm over your head."

[–] NotLemming@lemm.ee 10 points 3 days ago

Uncanny valley

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

You aren't arguably human if you have no empathy.

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 39 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Human civilizations arose and grew because of human cooperation and organization

Not through the will of one man or a small group of people

You can claim kings, emperors, divine rulers, czars and god men who led entire groups of people ... but it was masses of people cooperating with another that made it all possible.

We may be disillusioned, distracted, manipulated, controlled, coerced and taken advantage of ... but it is still and will always be masses of people that make our world possible.

[–] nihilist_hippie@lemmy.ca 27 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I love the African philosophy of ubuntu: 'I am who I am, because of who we all are'

[–] Agrivar@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wait, is THAT the origin of the name of a specific variant of Linux?

[–] nihilist_hippie@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Agrivar@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Buddhists would say that if you look closely, you find no distinction between yourself and everyone else. We are made of each other. Empathy and compassion are our nature because nothing happens to just me or just you. It's one shared life, and we suffer when we fail to recognize this.

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[–] segabased@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago

Even those leaders are just avatars of the shared humanity they lead and represent, they persist only as a creation of a shared culture and by permission of those people whether or everyone involved is cognizant of the fact.

The masses create everything, even those leaders because nothing exists in a vacuum

[–] ZeroGravitas@lemm.ee 33 points 3 days ago

Studies show again and again that people tend to attribute their wins to skill and ability even in a completely rigged game. Likewise, they tend to do the opposite when looking at their fellow man: "they got lucky, while I worked my ass off to get here".

When wealth is regarded as a proof of skill and enterprising spirit, poverty must perforce be the opposite of that. And once you start regarding lack of wealth as a moral failing, true empathy dies on the vine.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I hope that empathetic people temporarily suspend their empathy when approaching musk

You know, "its a weakness" he says, don't be weak when you have to eliminate a nazi

[–] Sceptique@leminal.space 3 points 2 days ago

You can have empathy but still do what needs to be done

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[–] LengAwaits@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (2 children)

From the APA's "Journal of Experimental Psychology":

"Empathy is hard work: People choose to avoid empathy because of its cognitive costs" (2019)

(Abstract) or (Full Text PDF)

Further reading on this subject:


"How resource sharing resists scarcity: the role of cognitive empathy and its neurobiological mechanisms" (2022)

(Full Text)


"Empathy moderates the relationship between cognitive load and prosocial behaviour" (2023)

(Full Text)


"Cognitive load and moral decision-making in moral dilemmas under virtual reality: the role of empathy for pain" (2025)

(Abstract)


"The Influence of Cognitive Load on Empathy and Intention in Response to Infant Crying" (2016)

(Full Text)


[–] LengAwaits@lemmy.world 43 points 2 days ago (4 children)

There's a growing body of research from behavioral neuroscience which indicate that wealth, power, and privilege have a deleterious effect on the brain. People with high-socioeconomic status often:

  • Have reduced empathy and compassion.
  • Have a diminished ability to see from someone else's perspective.
  • Have low impulse control.
  • Have an extreme sense of entitlement.
  • Have a hoarding disorder.
  • Have a dangerously high tolerance for risk.

When you don't need to cooperate with other people to survive, they become irrelevant to you. When you're in charge, you can behave very badly and people will still be polite and respectful toward you. Instead of reciprocity, it's a formalized double standard. When you have status, you're given excessive credibility, and rarely hear the very ordinary push-back from others most of us are accustomed to, instead you receive flattery and praise and your ideas are taken seriously by default.

Humans have a strong need for egalitarianism; without it our brains malfunction and turn us into the worst versions of ourselves.

Some sources:


Hubris syndrome: An acquired personality disorder? A study of US Presidents and UK Prime Ministers over the last 100 years

(Abstract) or (Full Text)


Does power corrupt? An fMRI study on the effect of power and social value orientation on inequity aversion.

(Abstract) or (PDF Full Text)


Social Class and the Motivational Relevance of Other Human Beings: Evidence From Visual Attention

(Abstract) or (PDF Full Text)


The Psychology of Entrenched Privilege: High Socioeconomic Status Individuals From Affluent Backgrounds Are Uniquely High in Entitlement

(Abstract) or (PDF Full Text)


Hoarding Disorder: It's More Than Just an Obsession - Implications for Financial Therapists and Planners

(Abstract) or (PDF Full Text)


On the evolution of hoarding, risk-taking, and wealth distribution in nonhuman and human populations

(Abstract) or (Full Text)


[–] Ruigaard@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Just a quick reply - haven't read your sources yet. But I also feel like it works both ways, one's lack of empathy helps you succeed in a capitalist culture that only has one metric for success, money. Will now start reading ;).

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

I was thinking about this recently and noticed something very interesting, as a thought experiment of sorts.

For extremely rich and wealthy people, it is not actually about the money.

I mean, it is about the money in the sense that money is the formal expression of something deeper. But there's a shift, between having to think about money as a tool for survival, and having so much money that it's no longer relevant day to day and it becomes a sort of score for a game of life.

Certainly in mid and high level of management, executives, etc. money is the most important thing, they are hired and their livelihood, as well as their score, depends on them making the line go up and accumulating more and more money for the owner class. But for the owner class, it's all about the status, how the score is going. It's essentially a global level dick measuring contest. Of course they are not going to use the money for anything, they don't care. Their empathy is gone, what they want is to get ahead on the game. It's all about the narrative, the optics, the projection of influence and power.

If it weren't for money, it would be something else. Piety and ranks in theocracies, titles and land in the feudal times, honor and armies in feudal Japan, etc. It's just so happens that modern globalist culture has settled on corporate financial wealth.

There's a sort of mind bug that humans are susceptible to, that pushes people into the pursuit of this affluent status, then eliminates all humanity left from the brain. Just to see who dies with the most points.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I agree with the underlying concept, that having low/no empathy is rewarded under the current capitalist systems that most first world countries endorse.

The conflict I have with that mentality, which drives me, personally, away from it, is that if you go back in the history books, we only survived some eras because of strong communal bonds and collaboration with our tribe. In every circumstance, collaboration has been more beneficial economically, than any other option.

Therefore, I reject the selfish capitalist ideals and embrace empathy for the sake of humanity and my role in it.

I'll note, I am neither rich, nor American.

[–] Ruigaard@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We are still ~~thriving~~ creating great things because we collaborate on a large level. It might not be that communal anymore (unfortunately), but working together is still the key to success (in a system way).

It would be beneficial for all, if we could bring back the communal part - while still holding on to some of the benefits the modern global system has produced. I just always wonder, how do you replace or compete with the ice cold global capitalist systems, that can win most of the time in the short term and just overwhelm any sustainable, communal long term system.

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[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 5 points 2 days ago

Thank you! Needed this so badly!

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Aren't those signs of sociopathy?

I think we need to forbid people who qualify as sociopaths from holding any office with any degree of power. They can't be trusted with power.

[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

That literally sounds like the local rich kid that was a bully but then got a DUI and killed someone but because his parents are rich didn't even serve a day.

[–] warbond@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

Wealth accumulation as a mental disorder makes so much goddamn sense.

[–] RandomCanuck@piefed.social 26 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Excellent summary. It's not just Musk that doesn't understand empathy — it's ALL the tech bros.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 26 points 3 days ago

I remember talking to a coworker at a tech startup once. He was leaving to go work for some like military intelligence spy company. I was like, "But what if they have you work on something fucked up, like spying on innocent people, or sending drones to kill people?" He was like, big shrug, the pay is good.

Some people just don't care about other people. He was nice to people he knew, when it didn't really cost him anything.

Our society isn't really set up to discourage that kind of worldview. That kind of selfish person typically thrives.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 12 points 3 days ago

It's all powerful people. Many studies show that social power affects the brain, suppressing empathy centers.

As you get more wealth, status or fame, your brain becomes less capable of empathy and closer to the brain of a psychopath.

As long as we have hierarchies, we will be ruled by villains.

[–] WetBeardHairs@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Apparently a ton of the tech bros are part of cults in SF that practice rationalism. Some offshoots of rationalism attempt to "jailbreak" the mind into psychopathy. They quite literally teach that psychopathy is a net benefit for the individual and they strive to become psychopathic as a tool for success.

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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 18 points 3 days ago

Empathy is the cornerstone of a successful society.

By helping people who needs it, society as a whole will grow stronger.

Lack of empathy only causes cracks to form and will sooner or later ruin any society built from it.

Musk has once again shown himself to be an utter idiot.

[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Don't treat Musk's words as if they were coming from an intelligent source.

[–] freetopos@feddit.nl 4 points 2 days ago

I believe the whole point of the post was to show contrast: here's what some great minds said about empathy, and then there's this guy.

[–] JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Well, if you have empathy, you usually aren't successful (at least in the last ~20 years).

Aren't successful according to capitalistic ideals. People with empathy are often successful by better measures

[–] uienia@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Don't buy into their propaganda. Succesful is not the same as being ultrarich. There are many parameters in which you can be succesful.

[–] JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 days ago

How about being able to afford food?

[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I feel like someone told Elon that he's autistic and lacks empathy, and his reaction was to get all defensive about it and start claiming people who lack empathy are actually superior.

[–] Joeyowlhouse@lemmy.wtf 7 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Isn't the whole "autistic people don't have empathy" thing a long debunked myth anyway? It's generally, among autistic people, seen as ablest to assume they are incapable of empathy, which would make Elon's/Elon's supporter's excuses for him in this respect DOA.

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago

Yes, autistic people struggle with telling how a person is feeling, but once they know, they can be the most empathetic people ever. fElon is using it as an excuse to treat everyone like shit.

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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I think empathy is misunderstood. Especially this notion that having empathy is a proxy for being a good person.

Consider the sadist. You cannot enjoy someone's suffering if you can't recognize it. Being manipulative would also be difficult without a grasp of someone's inner life. A confidence artist must be an empath. A "cold read" psychic must be uniquely empathetic.

In 1921 Hitler gave a speech where he promised to put Jewish people into camps to see "how they like it". (he was upset about WWI German POWs and blamed Jewish people for their long internment). So Hitler did recognize Jewish people as human and capable of suffering; that was the point.

[–] dmention7@lemm.ee 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There's a big difference between academically knowing how a person feels--in a disconnected way--and actually being able to relate to that feeling as if you were experiencing it yourself.

Empathy is defined as the ability to understand and share the feelings and emotions of another person.

You're right that it's trivial to find examples of bad people who understand the emotions and feelings of others, but it's a lot harder to be a bad person when you can share those emotions and feelings yourself.

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Like being mean to an NPC in a video game

I know rationally they are just a bunch of pixels and code, but as soon as they have plausible human dialogue, and I say something mean, and they act hurt.. something triggers in my brain and I feel that hurt. And I immediately want to stop

I literally struggle to be mean to a bunch of pixels, just because they mimick a living creature. It's also interesting because often it promotes a sort of dissonance, "I know this isn't real.. and yet I cannot help but feel what they feel.. Even though they feel nothing"

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

something triggers in my brain and I feel that hurt

Are you familiar with mirror neurons? We are social beings. We are built from the ground up to feel each others pain.

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