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As a non-American, I'm very confused by this. If it's a town, it's not rural by definition. Because, you-know, it's urban.

Also, could we get a definition of town vs small town. Do you not have the concept of a village? (Village in the UK would be a settlement with a population of a couple of thousand, with usually a pub, local shop, maybe a post office and primary school if you're lucky).

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[–] graycube@lemmy.world 54 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Most towns are not urban by any standard. I ate dinner over the weekend in a town with a population of 669. It was big enough to have its own restaurant and post office. It was a 30-40 minute drive from any town with a population over 10,000 (and that, just barely).

[–] Worx@lemmynsfw.com 15 points 2 days ago (5 children)

This is why I was confused. There's no way that's a town with so few people (from a UK perspective)

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

Another consideration might be how far your "town" is from a more major center.

A town with a population of 1000 might not feel that rural if it's 10 miles down the road from a city of a million.

If the next closest center > 5,000pop is 250 miles away... Perhaps a different story.

I've hear it said that in Europe 100km is considered a long distance and in North America 100 years is considered a long time.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

We use the word differently. In the past I think we used it more as you do, because “going to town” had the connotations of going to a big city.

“Town” in American usage can mean anything from a small urban center (like under 10k people) to an incorporated municipality that has only a post office and tons of farms around it.

Basically we don’t say “village” here. So town is the smallest word we have. But it has a big range.

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[–] Morti@sh.itjust.works 33 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Aight, so, we got cities/metropolitan areas, then we have the outer edge of cities called suburbs (could also be referred to as towns), then we got further out areas, which are rural, which have a lot of agriculture and wilderness.

"Small" and "rural" are used as qualifying adjectives, and typically compound. Rural: generally far from near by cities, lots of wilderness/agriculture around. Small: not a lot of residents or amenities.

Village is not a term that is commonly used, at least not where I'm from (midwest).

Your village is our small rural town: low population density, lots of wilderness/agriculture, not a lot of buildings.

[–] Pistcow@lemm.ee 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And then we have "the sticks" a remote place mostly removed from civilization.

[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Don't forget BFE. The sticks are almost always right about halfway between BFE and YouGottaPurdyMouth

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[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (4 children)

“Village” isn’t used anywhere in the USA as far as I know. Places with <500 people call themselves a town usually. Where I’m from in NH (close to these towns), residents call themselves townies. “Small” is kinda just used as a grammatical intensifier in all the cases I’ve heard it used. YMMV in the south or Midwest though.

[–] ManixT@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

Villages are quite common in the north eastern US.

[–] CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village_(United_States)

The term village is used to describe certain categories of populated areas, either colloquially or legally, in 27 states.

[–] just_ducky_in_NH@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Lots of villages in NH, although I don’t think it’s a legal term. For example, Wakefield NH residents seem to refuse to accept that they have a town. They refer to the legal township as “the villages of Wakefield”, and when asked their residency, will say “I live in the village of Union” (or Sanbornville, etc.) also, there is the village of Milton Mills in the town of Milton, and Gonic in Rochester.

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[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

A lot of this is going to be subjective and depend on your personal frame of reference, as well as local laws and customs that can vary a lot around the country

In general, in normal casual conversation, most Americans are going to refer to a municipality as a "town" unless they're in a big city. Legally, that municipality might be considered a city, town, township, borough, home rule municipality, village, etc. but unless it's a big city we're probably going to refer to it as a town most of the time

There's also, in some areas, unincorporated communities that don't have an actual municipal government, but if there's a relatively dense area, we might go ahead and refer to that area as a town.

Some parts of the US do have some sort of legal definition for "village," in others it might be used informally to refer to a small "quaint" town, or part of the town.

There's also the distinction of, for example, being "in a town" vs "in town" or "downtown"

Most of us who don't live in a big city would say that we live in a town, meaning the municipality we live in. Somewhat less of us live "in town" meaning something more like the denser, more "urban" parts of town, probably resembling what you think of as a village, and "downtown" would refer to something like the area around the main street or main commercial area where you might find stores, restaurants, bars, etc.

So a "rural town" is basically any sort of town in a rural area. I'm not sure if there's any sort of a legal definition for a rural town, but in general I'd say that if a town is surrounded by woods and/or farmland and you can't trace an unbroken path of suburban sprawl from it back to a major city it's rural.

Some of those rural towns can actually be fairly big and urbanized, but they're otherwise in a rural area in their own little bubble so we'd still consider it to be a rural town.

As far as town vs "small town" that's kind of subjective.

The town I grew up in is often referred to as a small town, largely because it's physically pretty small, almost exactly 1 square mile, but that 1 mile is pretty densely populated, I think the population is around 9-10k people currently, it's just a couple miles outside of the nearest major city, and pretty well-urbanized itself, connected to several major highways, was once a big manufacturing town but is now pretty gentrified, with a solid handful of 10+ floor office buildings. People from more rural areas probably wouldn't agree that it's a "small town" but people from a bit city probably would think so, and for those of us "townies" whose families have lived here for a few generations still feel like it has a small town feel, even if the newer transplants don't all share that feeling.

The town I currently live in isn't quite rural, but it's getting there. I'm towards the edge of the suburbs now, maybe even into the exurbs. The town is physically much larger, but only has about half the population. That small, less dense population makes it still feel kind of small-towny.

Also worth noting, my town doesn't really have any sort of a "downtown" area, no real main street to go walking around or anything. We have a few businesses and stores and such roughly clustered in the same area, but it's not a cohesive thing that feels like a "town" or what you might recognize as a "village." I would normally may this, but if I said I was going "into town" for something, most people around me would probably understand that I'm going to one of our neighboring towns that are a bit more built-up

So some combination of physical size, population, population density, and a curtain je ne sais quoi are what makes a town a small town.

[–] Worx@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Very detailed, and that explains a lot, thank you.

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[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 21 points 1 day ago

Americans would likely use the term "small town" over "village" in most of the country.

Also the physical layout of a small town would likely be different and much more car dependent.

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

My uncle lives up in Omak

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omak,_Washington

This is a small town. We don't call them villages, we call them towns for some reason.

Technically speaking, Omak is a city actually. But pretty much everyone will call it a town around here.

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 days ago

This is a small town. We don't call them villages, we call them towns for some reason.

The word village implies community, and we don't do that kinda thing in the states.

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[–] leadore@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

As a non-American, I’m very confused by this. If it’s a town, it’s not rural by definition. Because, you-know, it’s urban.

A rural town is a very small town or populated area within a large rural area. The US is a huge country, with very large swaths of rural areas throughout, especially west of the Mississippi. In these large rural areas are scattered small towns of various sizes (say, less than a hundred to less than a thousand or so people), with long stretches of unpopulated (or very sparsely populated) areas between them. That's why they're called rural towns--no one would call them "urban" by any stretch of the imagination. They may have the things you mentioned (a post office and bar/pub/eatery) but not much more. But even if you're technically in a town, you are still effectively rural, since you're nowhere near a significant population center with anything like hospitals/doctors, shopping, services, etc., and a car is required to reach them (no public transit and much too far to walk or bike). Look at online maps to get the idea.

As for the word "village", that's mostly used in the NE part of the country and tends to have a bit more specific definition. Elsewhere, most of us would just say "town".

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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It means the town doesn't have a Walmart

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Here are some descriptions and photos of what most small towns look like: https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/trip-ideas/washington/slow-paced-towns-in-wa

A really small town is like what you're calling a village. I think most people outside the US think that rural is closer to urban areas than it usually is. It typically starts a half hour outside a major city and then can be 7-10 hours to the next major city depending on what state you're in. The upper east coast is probably closer to Europe. Rural encompasses a huge swath of the US land, and most are very isolated physically and mentally.

Here is a map showing the population densities by county: https://irjci.blogspot.com/2020/08/census-bureau-to-end-counting-efforts.html

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 16 points 15 hours ago

The town my wife grew up in has 1 traffic light, and it's of the blinking yellow variety.

Rural town.

[–] HuskerNation@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Like a town population 500 or less not within a hour drive of a city.

I live in Nebraska grew up in a village of 30 people, went to school in a town of 2500. Live currently in a town of 300.

Edit - since I received some upvotes and I'm no longer at my daughter's softball game. I wanted to add when I was in school 30 some years ago, my geography teacher told us Nebraska actually didn't have towns due to population requirements that there wasn't one that actually defined a town, it's was technically city or village. Whether that's still true or not I have no idea.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

Poor OP. They're leaving this thread more confused than ever.

The United States is huge and every region has different definitions and expectations of "city", "town", "suburb", "wide place in the road", etc. LOL, when I was a kid we called Tulsa, OK a "small town". Well, yeah, as opposed to Chicagoland.

You won't find anything definitive, but we don't use the word "village" except to connote... well, I can't really say. But I know one when I see it!

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

People will start calling their settlement a "village" here when they've decided to start being pretentious about it. Expect to find a winery there, or a studio where someone with frizzy hair makes inscrutable physical art, or a bunch of horse enthusiasts.

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[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

They're still cities, but people tend to start calling them "rural" when you get a certain distance from the big cities and things spread out, often also near farmland and/or nature.

For example, this would probably count as rural.

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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The town by my camp is about that size, 900 souls, and that includes a great deal of surrounding area. We have a general store/gas station, restaurant, mechanic, hair place (still open?), Post Office, fire station (unmanned I think?), two churches, halfway house, tiny school of some sort and a Dollar General, two "cities" 20-miles in either direction. Most of those 900 souls are in the surrounding country.

I would think this is OP's definition of "village". There are smaller places in between those two cities, but Holt is the "big" one.

OP: We don't use the term "village" in America. "Small town" can be a confusing term as that may mean what I described, or it might mean 30,000 people in a suburb attached to a larger town. Or, it might mean any amount of people at all. 🤷🏻

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

so by way of examples, going to some extremes...

Kent County, Texas is one of the most rural counties in the US. with Jayton hosting its county court house. As of the 2020 census, the entire county has less than one thousand people. The terms small town/town are somewhat nebulous, But usually in really rural places it’s someplace with a few shops and maybe a neighborhood and school and stuff.

This is a sat photo of Jayton, compliments of google maps:

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Jayton has about 500 people.

Note, that the mile is about 1.25 miles/ 2 km's north to south and about the same in east west. (at least, as far the structures/housing goes.) to get an idea of what it looks like there, here's the streetview in front of the court house.

zooming out to kent county, there's like 5 towns in that entire square, note the distance marker down at the bottom being about 8 km:

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now, compare that to new york city:

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Note, the distance marker at the bottom being about 3 km.

zooming in to roughly the same scale as the photo on jayton.... randomly....

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and here's a few courthouses in brooklyn....

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and the king's county courthouse on streetview

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 12 points 2 days ago

Your definition of village is the equivalent of a rural town in the US.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

There are named towns in the US with populations in the single digits. This can be due to either the population moving away, fleeing, or simply dying off over time -- Centralia, PA leaps to mind -- or because it's just a cluster of a couple of houses at a crossroads that would otherwise be in the middle of nowhere. There may not necessarily be a post office or any other services there.

In fact, there are "towns" in the US in that they are named on the map and have a defined location filed with the state/county/Postal Service, but they have no inhabitants at all. In many cases this is because a planned development never actually happened.

[–] radix@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

See also: census designated places, a collection of people with no formal town incorporation/government. My dad grew up in a "town" (CDP) of about 250 residents. It's about a half hour drive from the nearest real town, for things like groceries and hospitals.

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[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

NY has towns and villages. A township is way larger than a village. For example the Town of Huntington vs the incorporated Village of Lloyd Harbor within the town. We also have hamlets, like Huntington Village, which are similar but unincorporated.

However, all of this I'd consider suburban, not rural.

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[–] shaggyb@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (7 children)

We don't understand villages, you don't understand football. We're just different.

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[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

An American Small Town sounds a lot like your village.

But, we have like 10,000x as much space to spread out in, so we can have these villages every 10 miles or so in every direction. You could easily drive for 24 hours across the country and easily avoid all major cities.

[–] LilB0kChoy@lemm.ee 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Just wait until you find out about townships.

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[–] graycube@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

This guy has a YouTube channel of him just driving around small towns in the rural Midwest USA. https://youtube.com/@joeandnicsroadtrip

[–] plz1@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

"Town" is generally used to mean "something smaller than a city". I live in a town, and the population is about 30K. It's technically a township, but people don't really use that term widely. I know that doesn't really clear things up, but your real answer is "it's complicated".

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 9 points 2 days ago (3 children)

There are towns that are entirely just housing developments with no stores, no services, and no schools for miles. We are extremely spread out and even a town of a couple thousand people can have nothing nearby. These are what I've always known as "rural" towns. Farming communities and suburbs entirely cut off from the bigger cities by miles of just empty fields and farm land, in addition to places like up around Mariposa with populations of sub 100 people, cut off more by the mountainous terrain than because of how the infrastructure was built up.

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[–] Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah, we don't really use village in the US. A town is anything with a population smaller than about 10,000ish but the exact number will vary with the density and vibe. If you can't drive across the entire population center (where it's roughly broken into blocks) within the span of Freebird by Lynyrd Skynyrd (single version not album version) then it's too big to be a town.

[–] infinitevalence@discuss.online 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In my case it was population 600, 1 paved road through it, no stop lights, 1 or 2 roadside stores, a small k-8 school, and a 2 room post office.

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[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago

It doesn't have cows in it, but you can easily walk to where the cows are.

[–] RottedMike@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

A town in the USA has a population requirement of at least 5,000 people. However that can be spread out over hundreds or even thousands of square miles.

Villages do exist (I live in one) and it is generally defined as a smaller incorporated entity within a town.

So, for instance, I live in the country of the USA, in the state of New York, in the county of Allegany, in the Town of Andover, in the Village of Andover. It's like nesting dolls of government and taxes.

[–] fishos@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

All these fancy answers and I'll give you a real simple one: sidewalks and paved roads. Does it have fully paved roads and sidewalks? Urban. Does it have that and mostly houses? Suburban. Some/no sidewalks and the roads aren't all paved or is done poorly? Small town/rural. It's all about the concrete/asphalt to dirt ratio.

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 7 points 2 days ago (3 children)

WTF is a lorry? They look a lot like trucks to me.

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[–] dukeofdummies@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Americans tend to describe locations more by density and arrangement rather than population. Kinda similar to how we refer to distances in time rather than distance. In a city you have a LOT within 5 minutes of you at any time. Within a rural town you have... maybe 5 neighbors within that same span of time walking.

[–] Contemporarium@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There’s villages, towns and cities.

Cities can have unlimited traffic lights, towns are limited, and villages can have one.

I moved from Orange County CA to the rust belt and there are a lot of former thriving towns around the main city I live in that have since turned to villages. It’s wild because you’ll see intersections that obviously used to have lights that now have stop signs or just nothing

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[–] stinerman@midwest.social 6 points 2 days ago

Colloquially, it just means a small municipality. A "rural town" is a small municipality that is not near a larger metro area.

Town has a specific meaning in some states. I'm from Ohio. There is no such legal meaning here. Any municipality over 5k residents is a city. Anything other than that is a village. I am from a city with a population of about 6k. Outside of the city limits is farmland. I would say I'm from a small town/rural area.

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