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[–] socsa@piefed.social 43 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Post scarcity is kind of an odd man out here. The idea predates tech broism by a solid half century, and informs a lot of contemporary leftist theory. There is nothing inherently wrong with using utopian thinking as a guiding principle for iterative policy. I'd argue that anything which doesn't do that is cynicism.

[–] killea@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It occurs to me that I'd argue we're heading towards a forced scarcity society rather than post scarcity. That's the only way they can make sure we don't get a Star Trek type future if/when we figure out fusion power. Hell, we've already basically been able to feed everyone for ages.

[–] vateso5074@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Artificial scarcity is definitely nothing new. Look at the diamond industry, for example. Diamonds are common as hell, but they regulate the supply so severely in order to sell these cheap chunks of carbon for thousands of dollars.

If there's no competition in a market willing to race others to the bottom in terms of price, there's no incentive to actually produce a reasonable amount of something people want. You can just withold supply and charge way more.

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

Diamonds

So we need cultured post-scarcity, the lab-grown stuff

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 16 hours ago

Or just the fact that grocery stores throw away thousands of tons of perfectly edible food every day while there are people dying of malnutrition. They aren't starving, they are being starved.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

While post scarcity is excellent and I do believe it is possible in theory, it's used as a buzzword to handwave away all the dystopian things being pushed.

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] tourist@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Depending on how serious you are:

Choose weed instead

Or the crisis line. You probably already know where to find it. Help is available. You do not have to suffer alone. I love you homie.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He's an assassassin. He never said the death was his own...

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago

They be assin'

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago

Just kidding, unless given that exact choice lol. Weed has been a great help this year. Love you too fam, appreciate the thoughtful comment.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 6 points 23 hours ago

Or the crisis line.

What happens is that they “triage” you, where depending on how you answer their script you get cops at your door and a trip to hell on earth, or you are on hold for 20 minutes to speak with someone who also is reading a script and doesn’t give a rats ass about you.

Maybe states that aren’t Oklahoma have mental hospitals which are preferable to drinking yourself to sleep, but who knows.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

"Everyone and everything will end in my lifetime. I'll be here to see it all crumble just before I am incinerated in the blast."

is another popular escapist fantasy.

No one wants to believe they'll just have to hobble through a slow and painful decline.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 10 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

We are all stardust though. Billion-year-old carbon.

[–] halvar@lemy.lol 5 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

yes but do you consider that important in any way? if you do you are closer to the person on the left

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 points 21 hours ago

I would say it is a neutral fact.

Imo there is no meaning to life, everyone decides for themselves what to live for.

If someone likes the fact that we are made from starstuff, why yuck that yum specifically? It is kind of a nice perspective to take sometimes when life gets stressful.

It is also a part of a nice song by Joni Mitchell and a nice speech by Carl Sagan, both people I admire, but not something I think about a lot...

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[–] stepan@lemmy.cafe 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

we will make global anarchy by tomorrow. no more money, capitalism and suffering, trust

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

The thing about Anarchy is that, for many people, the cashless society where you own nothing and are fully removed from the machine of industry is already here. Its just called "poverty".

The problem is that this kind of poverty isn't equally distributed. You've still got this large, heavily armed occupying force that preserves money, capital, and the painful prodding of induced productivity for everyone else.

[–] BrazenSigilos@ttrpg.network 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean scientifically speaking, we are all made of stardust. Everything in the universe is. Including the existential crisis your trying to forget by disassociating.

[–] dzsimbo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago

And blue light does keep you awake. Are we team Esotheria?

[–] seraphine@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 22 hours ago

I have met the guy on the right irl. He was unbearable

[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 7 points 23 hours ago

Stellaris players: How it feels to have a Spiritualist empire on one side of your border and a Materialist empire on the other.

[–] Vupware@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago

This is so overwhelmingly hyperbolic I’m not sure what to take from it

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago
[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago
[–] capuccino@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Really? Are people out there that thinks that death is a design flaw? I know it's shitpost, but it's based on something after all

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 9 points 1 day ago

Depends on how literally you mean it, in general, those most likely to say it wont think that humans are literally designed not to die and only do so because someone made a mistake, but more that humans might be redesigned or modified not to (or at least not from biological aging). Not a hard to find sentiment if you hang out in spaces with transhumanists, but I find the ones that overlap with AI bros, that tend to have an attitude like "this will totally happen in my lifetime and with no effort because the AI singularity is going to come and give us everything in a few years" impossible to talk to, because all too often they will cite even the tiniest listed improvement in any AI system as proof that literally everything possible or impossible is about to happen and then insist you arent paying attention when you give them skeptcism.

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I believe this is an idea most legitimately championed by Nick Bostrom. Here is a video explaining his perspective.

I feel like, at least from the stance of abstract philosophy, he makes some good points. And I'm not enough of a philosopher to refute them (though I'm sure some have). Personally, my stance is "I'll cross that bridge when I arrive at it" - I expect to die before that happens.

[–] binarytobis@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’m also hung up on “Crypto is UBI”. Surely this is a one off crackpot quote and not a thing, right?

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This one is empirically falsified. I never heard it before, and even though I can believe somebody is saying it somewhere, it's an incredibly stupid thing to say.

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh almost forgot

More than three years ago we founded Worldcoin with the ambition of creating a new identity and financial network owned by everyone; the rollout begins today. If successful, we believe Worldcoin could drastically increase economic opportunity, scale a reliable solution for distinguishing humans from AI online while preserving privacy, enable global democratic processes, and eventually show a potential path to AI-funded UBI.

https://world.org/cofounder-letter

It’s the iris scan one

collapsed inline mediaWorldcoin orbs

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Oh, so a con-man, not a stupid man.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, there are people who believe we will find a way to transcend death via technology. I personally think a world ruled by immortal omniwealthy methusalas that will never let even death release their boot from the necks of the common man is a bad thing, but...

[–] capuccino@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Once I read a creepypasta where the wealthy spent a lot of money paying research and development of immortality, only achieving a worse version of cancer. The wealthy obviously went dead.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

That's the good ending. Bad ending is it works and the dictators of the world crush everyone else, tantalizing just enough people with the immortality carrot to make the system eternal.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I honestly think most of these bugfuck crazy views stem from we humans not having evolved to deal with the modern world. People feed us the simple answers we crave.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

We were meant to subsist off of grubs, berries, and whatever your extended family could hunt as we trekked around, dying randomly of infections and bear attacks. Then some fucking asshole started farming and it's all been downhill since!

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago

OoooooooohPleaseNukeItFromSpace

[–] Sibbo@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

post-scarcity society

RAM prices going up

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

It's funny, just yesterday I looked at RAM prices randomly for the first time in months, thought "wow, that's high", and today I see reference after reference after reference about how high it is.

[–] DoubleDongle@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I just want to drop in and call out "death is a design flaw" specifically. It is not. Without death, there can be no evolution, and any change to the environment is extinction.

The mountains seem eternal, but there were forests before many of them, and though the trees will be different in the distant eons when the mountains are worn to nothing, the forests will live on.

[–] MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (4 children)

That's pretty cool in nature, especially with plants and fungi that don't think. But applying it to people is kinda eugenics-y. "Billions should die so that our genes can improve"

[–] DoubleDongle@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Oh, giving ourselves endless lifespans is a fine endeavor. We've got plenty of ways to adapt to changing environments without changing our bodies, and we're pretty close to being able to do that without dying and evolving anyway. Shit might get weird, but it always does with us.

[–] MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Based. I always think stories about "immortality is bad actually" are weird because people are fundamentally capable of change. Lots of people choose not to change, but I think that's because the boredom in their life is smaller than other forces like poverty, oppression, trauma, and culture. Give people infinite time to heal from their traumas and I think they eventually will. I think enlightenment is a more stable state than ignorance.

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[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 3 points 1 day ago
[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 3 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

I choose neither, and instead day dream about fully automated luxury gay space communism, knowing I'm gonna die before such a thing could ever come to fruition.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 hours ago

That's just the guy on the right but with less hope and no capitalism.

[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

We scoff at them both, but seriously pick one and get comfortable, looking reality right in the butt-cheeks is bad for the soul.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago

Stop looking at the cheeks, grit those teeth, and give that anus a good gander.

(Full disclosure: I am not a therapist, but it's good advice.)

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