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search engine
Not a search engine.
Ehhh. I mean, technically yes, but a proxy for search engine requests is probably functionally equivalent to the end user.
Also, if users don't know that such a thing exists and goes looking for a "search engine", they likely also want this.
One of my personal pet peeves is power stations
a big lithium-ion battery pack hooked up to a charge controller and inverter and USB power supply and with points to attach solar panels
being called a "solar generator". It's not a generator, doesn't use mechanical energy. But...a lot of people who think "I need electricity in an outage" just go searching for "generator". I don't like the practice, but I think that the aim is less to deceive users and more to try to deal with the fact that they functionally act in much the same role and people might not otherwise think of them.
I am less sympathetic to vendors who do the same with calling evaporative coolers "air conditioners". Those have some level of overlap in use, but are substantially different devices in price and capability.
I cannot help but respect any organization that has “here are the conditions that make our product useless” in their FAQ.
It’s an effective way to describe what their proxy does, for sure. It’s just nice to read public-facing text that doesn’t feel sanitized by committee.
It's also underselling what they are providing.
You get to skip all the AI garbage, all the sponsored links, and the "what other people are asking" sections and just go straight to the search results.
Privacy is the primary selling point, but the clean "old school" google interface is what I'm really excited about. I've set my default search in the browser to Leta for now.
It seems like a good alternative so some of the most popular engines. I think I'll stick with Ecosia, since on top of being EU based, they also make the world a better place.
Mullvad is Swedish
Your search query, IP address and iirc fingerprint gets shown to Bing everytime you make a search, so it's not private at all
I don't see them claiming it is
It is still a good reason not to use Ecosia, however.
I'd rather let some EU company like Qwant use my anonymized data, to hopefully someday build their own index, than use Google by proxy (except when neccessary, of course).
Good news, they are doing just that (in cooperation with Ecosia)
Edit: And it is supposed to be released this year (as early as Q1 apparently) https://betterweb.qwant.com/en/2024/11/08/ecosia-and-qwant-join-forces-to-develop-european-search-index/
That is some unexpectedly good news. I'm looking forward to see the results of an EU based search index.
Good moves from Ecosia. They used to get some flack for using Bing and Google.
Mojeek (UK-based) is trying. I wasn't super impressed by their index yet, though.
So is it like DDG but with EU GDPR ?
I think that would be Qwant. This is a search engine proxy.
Someone explain to be why this is better than using DDG or Qwant or SearX?
It's not, but it is better than using google
Honest question: how can it be better to search Google through a proxy than using Google? You're still feeding the beast?
The beast eats personal data and sells it as ad revenue. If you are searching via proxy they can still collect general interest stats but not link it to an individual. It is not as profitable for them.
The Beast is fed by collecting data about you and then serving you back ads accordingly. This strips the data and the ads, so you feed them nothing.
I genuinely feel that Google's search results have gotten really bad, over the last years especially. I find DDG results to be much better generally. If Mullvad Leta also proxied DDG for another layer of privacy then I'd use it, but not even it's only search engines are Google and Brave.
Leta acts as a proxy to Google and Brave search
Great! As much as I love DDG, Google is unfortunately still superior and I had no choice but to suck it up and use the latter from time to time. If I could use Google by way of proxy to preserve privacy, then this is great news!
DDG has been superb for me for a few years now often returning results I prefer over Google. I’m really pleased with it.
It probably depends what you're looking for, but I find DDG to have fewer up-to-date results than Google.
I wonder if they're using the (paid) Google and Brave APIs, and are running Leta as a loss leader, or if they have some way to get around it
Surely it has to be the paid APIs. You can't build a service hoping Google won't notice your bots running searches.
I guess you would need a lot of proxies. And they probably need to be on Googles good side to keep their VPN extension in Chrome
I guess you would need a lot of proxies
That would be incredibly slow
Maybe that's why they cache results for 30 days?
The Leta FAQ confirms this:
Did you make your own search engine from scratch? We did not, we made a front end to the Google and Brave Search APIs.
Our search engine performs the searches on behalf of our users. This means that rather than using Google or Brave Search directly, our Leta server makes the requests.
Searching by proxy in other words.
Never gave this much thought. I've been considering subscribing for Kagi again, but basically they are paying for a Google API subscription, meaning that Google directly monetizes my Kagi searches?
To be completely honest, I'm less worried about privacy and more worried about what kind of world I'm contributing to with my internet usage. I Mullvad sends money to Google for every search, it's probably not for me.
Switched to Qwant now - rather Microsoft than Google, and at least they are working on their own engine.
So SearXNG?
SearXNG
Always wondered how the fuck I'm supposed to say that.
Seeks'nn'jnn?
Sur X N G?
Search engine?
Search'ng?
I've been paying for Mullvad for a while and didn't realize this was even a thing until this announcement.
Nice! I've been wanting to get off startpage for a while now. This is a perfect replacement.
Its cool seeing the Mullvad team keep pushing forward with privacy related services. If I ever need to search Google with JS turned off, I'll use...SearXNG, but this is cool too.
I don't like how it tells you when the results were cached. You can tell if and when a query was searched for by someone else.
I do like it because when I'm trying to find out more information about break8ng events I want to know if I'm getting outdated information. Also, knowing that someone, somewhere in the world entered the same search terms as you within the last 30 days tells you absolutely nothing about that person.
If only there were a search index I thought was still good.