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Originally Posted By u/q0_0p At 2025-08-10 08:00:14 PM | Source


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[–] Zier@fedia.io 86 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Tax All religions, it's a business. Make everyone pay into Social Security, no income caps. Move retirement age back to 65 for everyone, and early (reduced benefits) to 62.

[–] Lucelu2@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Oh man. My husband is a journeyman electrician (IBEW). He is 57. Has had a hip replacement. He is hyper-focused on his diet and tracks all calories, hits the gym 5 days a week. Yet he has bone on bone arthritis in his shoulders, his left knee has no meniscus and he has popped his IT band 3 times in the last 4 months. He is on a job that has gone OT, tons of ladder climbing and stairs. Meanwhile the shoppie employees huddle with their phones while he is responsible for the switch gear. He really wants to retire. He has his full pension credits.

I am a nurse (60) with 27 years experience. I just spent a weekend on service and there was very little transport staffing. I ended up having to transport the patients to the nuclear medical dept and then wait. One had to travel on the tele so I told his nurse to bring him down and leave the equipment. After his testing was done... I hooked him back up and brought him to his floor and of course, the bed was out of battery charge WAFB, I was worn out.

We are both retirement curious. I was thinking... maybe get all our expenses on a spreadsheet, star the ones that can be reduced or eliminated, get all our most recent sheets together and see a financial advisor. We are kind of tired of carrying the 30 somethings honestly... We are Gen X and actually didn't expect we would live this long. Honestly... we have kept our communities running for a long time and are ready for others to take over.

Personally, I 'd love to go somewhere like Portugal or Italy for a few years and wait out this MAGA mess. Our kid lives less than 3 blocks away though and we do want to be involved grandparents. It is a difficult choice in these times. I hope we can convince them to come with us. The fact is... this nation under Trump will become a prison if you wait long enough.

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[–] megopie@beehaw.org 42 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (11 children)

Like I get the whole moralistic bent about not wanting to pay representatives big incomes relative to their constituents because politician bad and “they should be doing it for the pride of serving”, or like term limits because “I don’t like these politicians and they keep getting reelected/ serve life terms.”

But realistically, if you want skilled professionals in a field, you need to pay them competitively and offer long term career prospects. Otherwise you’re going to only get people who take the job as a stepping stone to another position, like a high paying job at a big company they passed a bunch of laws to help, or who can make money in other ways.

As it stands right now, the whole stock trading thing is largely a result of how little congress people are payed relative to the importance of the position. Like, sure, it’s a six figure salary with a great benefits package, but, that’s peanuts compared to what a modern private sector executive make, even a mediocre one.

If anything, congress people should probably have their wages increased significantly.

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They can have that when they start serving the got damn people like they're supposed to

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Well, not really, according to the banner "Cap Politicians Wages to 1.5x Median Wage in their district" that's really not a lot. Even if they made 150k it would still be less than they could be making with their law degrees or by working as a lobbyist for big companies.

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (3 children)

We can tie it to the median wage without fixating on that exact multiplier they can also consider ways to raise the median wage...

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Counterpoints:

It's really, really good messaging, to a population that reads at a 6th grade level.

The entire point is that being a Representative is not supposed to be a lucrative career path to become wealthy, it is supposed to be public service.

Also, overturning Citizens United, in a fully comprehensive way, would make... not all, but a whole, whole lot of currently 'standard' lobbying (ie legalized bribery) completely fucking illegal.

Also also, if you can 'tax billionaires out of existence', presumably by actually effectively taxing their wealth, as well as capping CEO pay, and all other forms of non direct income compensation...

... well then you don't actually have a giant wealth disparity society, you have a functional upper bound once you 'win' capitalism, thus much less dark money to throw at lobbyists as well as an upper bound to how lucrative it csn be to throw away all your principles and embrace your inner sadistic narcissistic sociopathy.

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I would add to this platform ....maybe the bullet point slogan would be 'death penalty for corporations'.

What I mean by that is something like this:

Ok, your corporation and its executive officers committed some heinous crime, that we normallly punish with fines, fines that are almost always a pittance in comparison to how much money that corp has?

Well ok, first, stop doing fines that way, peg them instead to a % of net income. Not net profits, net income.

If this results in bankruptcy of the corp?

Oh well, too bad.

Ok, then, if a corp is convicted of some massive legal violation, do something like every single C suite level employee in that corp, in its holding company, whatever... yeah they are now all barred from holding any such positions at any kind of organization, in any capacity, for the rest of their lives.

Guilt by association, you were part of a criminal enterprise, get fucked, you asshats obviously will not actually 'organically' create a 'company culture' of anything other than normalizing corruption, so here's a bigger stick to whack you with, to discourage such behavior.

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Also, its now illegal for an individual to sit on more than one of any kind of corporate, government regulatory body, elected government position, non profit / lobbying board within a 5 year period. Maybe 10 years.

No more incestuous boards of directors where one person sits on 3 to 8 boards all at the same time, and there is now a 5 (maybe 10) year cool down period when you leave one high level board, before you can join another, no more immediate pipeline from industry to regulatory capture.

Maybe the bullet point slogan for this could be 'End the Corporate Deep State'.

Is it technically accurate as a term? I don't care, it feels right, with our current era colloquial lingo.

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Also, the min wage needs to be Federally mandated to be indexed to a State's average median income and actual cost of living.

There is a lot of variance between States economic CoLs and AMIs, but broadly, a bare minimum for a national, all areas averaged together, min wage... is more like $30-$35 literally right now, if you interperet the min wage to be a living wage, as it was set out to be by FDR.

So really, for a broad number, a 2028 platform would need to be at least $30, not $20...

But more specifically, Federally mandate that every State uses an index calculation that takes into account cost of food and utilities, median income, median rent... make it so that its actually possible for annout of high school 18 yo to get a full time job and be able to afford a studio apartment, without going into debt or needing a cosigner.

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[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (19 children)

In every possible way, I don't want skilled professionals as representatives. Even if you get one they are only a skilled professional in ONE, maybe TWO areas - COMPLETELY inadequate for the vast number of areas the government is tasked with managing. That specialized knowledge is what the career bureaucrats the administration is gleefully firing are for.

I want someone who can ASK and LISTEN to skilled professionals, detect and reject bullshit from scam artists, and feels a responsibility to make decisions that benefit their constituents. There are 10 year olds that fit that description.

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[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

See that's where limiting CEO pay comes in.

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

the whole stock trading thing is largely a result of how little congress people are payed relative to the importance of the position.

Completely unreal. Given an opportunity to legally trade on the information available to them people with 6 and 7 figure salaries will act identically to maximize their benefit. At present in many difficult and valuable professions you can obtain the best of the best for less than what congress is paid. There is no reason to believe that lifetime benefits, 174k and the prestige of leading the nation is insufficient to attract excellent candidates.

If the candidates presently in play are often trash it is because other factors select for same not because of insufficient compensation.

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago (12 children)

When we pay more, we attract vermin. I’d happily serve for a pittance because I want to make the world better, and so would many others. If you want to get rich, don't serve in Congress!

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[–] Drusas@fedia.io 32 points 2 days ago (25 children)

Keeping congressional salaries that low would encourage corruption and possibly discourage non-corrupt candidates with valuable experience, but I otherwise agree.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

yeah, grand scheme of things a few hundred people getting a salary that's comparable to what they'd get in industry, makes zero difference to total government revenue.

The only reason to make it lower is either out of some weird sanctimonious need to put them in their place, or some idealistic notion that lowering salaries would result in a congress full of serene monk-like sages who exist only to serve their people, when the reality is that it would heavily incentivize even more corruption than we see now.

Give them a million dollars each, and tax them 100% on every penny they make from any other source.

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[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I refuse to believe any of this is actually endorsed or supported by the Democratic Party of The United States.

It's all great. And I'd love to be wrong. But there's no way.

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[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 29 points 2 days ago (3 children)

$20 minimum wage is still too low, but better than nothing. Decent outline. Just have to get someone that gives a shit about people into office.

[–] Batman@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

can we fix it with a bread basket index please?

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[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 24 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The only way you’re going to close the wealth gap is by taking it back from them. At this point it’s the only option. The democrats are compromised too completely.

[–] Pronell@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

You either have to build within the existing party that is interested in governance, or you build one from scratch.

Each side has extreme challenges and I will support either. We just need to realize we cannot instantly reject flawed allies.

Perhaps a new 'third' party can endorse the good Democrats and focus their efforts on removing people like Fetterman from power along with any Republicans. Or from within the party we can push for similar changes.

But we see how that worked out for David Hogg.

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[–] misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

Giving pledge? How about a taking pledge.

Proposed wealth tax:

  • 1% over $1M
  • 10% over $10M
  • 100% over $100M

The proceeds fund UBI. MMW we will have 100x as many millionaires after doing this.

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[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Caping their pay like that would assure only rich people could become politicians in poor districts.

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[–] Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 2 days ago

All of this should be simple for any sane politician to get on board with, and yet it's somehow revolutionary.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 18 points 2 days ago

Sounds great.

Hope you've got your guns, because you'll need them for any of that.

Voting is just for deciding what colour tie your right-wing authoritarianism wears.

[–] sartalon@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Came in late but I'll bandwagon that the minimum wage needs to be bumped up.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

It's the last point, but yes it needs to be linked to inflation.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Lmao. Unless step number one includes some guillotines, you might as well be asking people if they'd like to go to paradise.

Pure fantasy.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Fuck off.

No.

Dream big. Get balls.

Yes.

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[–] discosnails@lemmy.wtf 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That minimum wage pretty slim for a wish list...

[–] Brutticus@midwest.social 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Tie minimum wage to inflation. Tie rent to it, too. Im suck of having this discussion. They stonewall on purpose.

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[–] AceFuzzLord@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'd like to add to this that there needs to be limits to how many terms a congressman can be in office and that afterwards, they are unable to fund anything related to lobbying or government officials. Also, kick them off insurance for government officials and cut off their government official salary permanently when out of office.

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[–] Djehngo@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I'm impressed with this, someone has clearly given it more than 30s of thought

treating unrealized gains used for collateral as income avoids most of the complicated issues around wealth taxes while still enforcing that you have to pay your fair share if you want to live a life of luxury.

Congressional pay caps seem like a good way to align their incentives with helping all their constituents rather than just the donors and median mean that passing a real minimum wage law is to their direct benefit. No idea how you would get around the increased risk of bribery though.

Fixing gerrymandering, replacing fptp and scrapping the electoral college evens out the voting power so an election is less likely to be swung imby a handful of close districts in swing states.

Striking down Citizens united would (could?) clean up campaign finance making it harder for fossil fuel lobbies (for example) to purchase power.

I don't know how feasible it is given some of it is federal, some of it is state level and I imagine some of it requires ammending the constitution, but I would consider any candidate who ran on some/all of these to be a good choice focused on fixing the root causes of a lot of the problems the US is facing.

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[–] rei@piefed.social 12 points 2 days ago

UBI would be nice too, especially as the reliance on AI/automation becomes more prevalent

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Ranked Choice is a bad system to use for elections.

And that's per its inventor, the Marchese de Condorcet back in the 1790s.

He came up with the instant runoff idea, and then tore it to pieces because of how poorly it performed. i.e. Instant Runoff almost never gives you the Pairwise winner, the person who would win in a direct one-to-one matchup against every other candidate.

In the 200 years since then, we've found other, more serious problems. Like the fact that the system is somehow not monotonic. Meaning that increasing the support to a candidate can actually cause them to lose the election.

There's more, but the main point stands. RCV is broken beyond repair.

A system that is not broken is STAR. Designed from the ground up to be a modern voting system.

Fun fact, while strategic voting is possible under STAR, it actually gives worse results for the strategic voter just being honest in your preference. Which is opposite of how pretty much every other voting system works.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (3 children)
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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Shouldn't this be project 2029?

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[–] AlexLost@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

I support this platform. Expect nothing less, accept nothing less. Look at the pipe dreams on the other side of the aisle they've been able to enact. Let's swing the hammer hard the other way now.

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Cap CEO pay 35x lowest paid full-time employee

Remove “Full-Time” from that, it’s an obvious loophole that would make the point moot.

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[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 9 points 2 days ago (3 children)
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[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Cap CEO pay at no more than 2x lowest paid employee/contractor in terms of total compensation.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Sure, all of this would be great. There's no chance of it happening, though. We're at a point where either we rise up and take what we want or it'll never change. And we're basically incapable of rising up. Prove me wrong!

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[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Extend benefits to all employees. Make employer contribution for part time employees125% of employer contribution for full time employees. Make school vouchers illegal and get all kids back into public education. Eliminate media conglomerates. Nationalize the assets of any billionaire who paid for a cabinet position in order to destroy the agency that regulates their industry. Tax the wealthy and corporations.

[–] TheBeege@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Okay, hold up. Not all of these are federal.

Ranked choice in all elections - that's a state thing.

As for the congress trading and income caps, we want to do that for state representatives as well, right?

I'm guessing the billionaire and mega church taxes would also need to be state level, since there's nothing necessitating them crossing state lines.

I'm all in, but wanna make sure the effort is in the right areas.

Also, I prefer approval voting over ranked choice. And let's covert the House of Representatives to proportional representation instead of district-based, and let's do the same for state level representatives. And let's trash the Senate, or at least change it such that small groups of people don't have significantly more power just because they live in the middle of nowhere.

Also, donation info? Website or something to participate? The hell kind of call to action poster has no call to action???? I really wanna get in on this shit.

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Capping congressional salary that low is a bad idea - especially with the cost of maintaining homes in their district and DC both. It heavily encourages corruption.

I had a good family friend who was a small business owner. He was the local AC repair guy who worked super hard and built a thriving business. He eventually got into politics and was elected to the US House of Representatives. I was proud of my friend, because while we didn't agree on a lot of political issues, he was fundamentally a good person and would be different than all the corrupt assholes in government.

He quickly ran into financial issues trying to maintain 2 households - especially since his wife was essentially forced to leave her job to be with him full-time as he went back and forth between his district and DC.

So what did he do? He started accepting help from donors. Then special interests. He started becoming more and more beholden to them as they supported him, and he started getting a taste of the Washington lifestyle.

Now he's as corrupt as corrupt gets, and I'm ashamed to have called him a friend. Motherfucker even voted against election certification on January 6th.

I truly believe that if Congress paid better, more "Average Joe" politicians could thrive in Washington without having to take dirty money, and my family friend may have been saved.

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[–] lukaro@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Make the government fearful of the people.

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[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

CEO pay should be max 7x (do they honestly work 7x more than their lowest paid?).

And minimum wage should be $25/hour or more (with additional increases based on cost of living a d inflation).

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

2 of those require a constitutional amendment which is a high bar to meet. Also personally prefer approval voting to RCV, it's easier to explain, works with existing machines, and eliminates the spoiler effect.

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Bring back civil rights

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