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Time to break free of traditional political ideological labeling and divisions. Time to abandon old, divisive sociopolitical labels like "liberal" and "conservative".

A new political party based on a vastly, commonly held virtures lends itself to embrace over 66% of Americans, and it clearly embraces progressive principled thinking. In the most ideal American sense of unity, a political party should not be able to be defined or placed as "to the left" or "to the right" of where the Democratic or Republican parties currently are. Just let it exist organically based on present-day principled thinking. The American Progressive Majority.


Originally Posted By u/Atlanticbboy At 2025-03-23 04:38:18 AM | Source


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[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 93 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Two things.

One, I would get a gun and find a trustworthy community if I were a leftist or minority American.

As much as I despise guns, if shit gets Gilead bad, you'll probably be happy to have it.

As for community, if you don't have one yet, I would recommend joining either a socialist club or a progressive/traditional (i.e. not racist) Christian church. A black church (think MLK), or a pride flag flying liberal Church (think John Brown).

When Nazi's invaded my country, these were the two communities that actually resisted, by fighting back and helping people hide and escape. In times of slavery, socialism wasn't yet a thing, so the abolitionists and underground railroad people were progressive Christians. Jesus was the OG socialist and these communities live it.

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)
[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Thanks for sharing.

I just want to say one thing though. With drones, guns are no longer the big equalizers that they used to be.

If you ever get in a standoff with government fascists, they will just use drones.

I saw the videos of how Azerbeidzjan just totally obliterated heavily armed Armenian positions using Bayraktar drones.

This shit is scary as fuck. I wouldn't be surprised if, within 25 years from now, 90% of the world is living under authoritarian regimes.

Which is why I think being part of a very large community with solidarity among all members will be key.

Any small group will just be labeled as terrorists and obliterated.

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[–] dditty@lemm.ee 8 points 2 days ago

Totally agree, and fucking thank you for the shout out about progressive Christians! Underground railroad, temperance movement, anti-war protests, civil rights, etc, progressive Christians have always been a driving force for good and that has totally gotten overshadowed by the evil of white evangelicals in recent years

[–] magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

These numbers are bullshit.

Who in their right mind actually believes Americans prefer gun control to: abortion care, legal weed, gay marriage, higher minimum wage, and home ownership.

Like regardless of what you or I want for America, that's an actual load of shit. Too many people love their guns, there's literally more guns than people here.

[–] stickly@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There are more guns than people because people that own guns own multiple. And people that own a lot of guns own a loooot of guns. 29% of gun owners own five or more guns. It takes like 2 seconds to confirm this shit...

[–] magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Nearly half of all American households have a gun. 44% to be exact.

If even a third of everyone in those households didn't want gun control (33% of 44% is a little over 14.5% total), then that statistic is wrong.

[–] monarch@lemm.ee 11 points 2 days ago (5 children)

gun control ≠ gun law reform. My MAGA grandpa can see that there needs to be some restriction because so man kids are dead.

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[–] oxysis@lemm.ee 37 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (10 children)

I’m sad that trans rights aren’t on the list there, not surprised with how awful things are but still sad

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The only thing with majority support is a narrow majority thinking trans people should be allowed to be discriminated against overtly in jobs and public spaces (but those people also generally don't think forcing a women to use the men's restroom is discrimination). Few people will say they oppose protections against discrimination, but "neutrality" is just a polite way of supporting discrimination...

[–] oxysis@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago

Yeah it’s really sad how the world has almost turned fully against my people. Give it a few more months (at most) and the Democrats will have almost fully turned on my people. This country is a shithole and I hate it

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[–] Axiochus@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's not how you cite a source - the point of a citation is to allow the reader to trace, and evaluate, the source of a claim, and the methodology used to arrive there. I get that it's impractical to do a full bibliography, but the way this poster just 'cites' a bunch of organizations without tracing specific claims to specific publications detracts from the argument. We should be better than the enemy who make claims and respond with "do your own research" when challenged. Part of the reason why we're in this mess is because we stopped supporting, or trusting, the process behind evidence-based science. If we make these claims, can't we link to a site that lists the actual papers behind the claims? Otherwise this whole stuff is vulnerable to the argument that "this is a radical left delusion and fake news". Fascist propaganda shouldn't be resisted in kind, that just drags us down to their level.

[–] pinheadednightmare@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago

Agreed. As much as I want to believe this post, it would be great to site the source below each claim.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Ok but now is not a good time to disarm

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

The working class must never disarm. Post jan 6th and George floydd and people still have yet to learn that no one will protect us but ourselves. How delusional of me to think anything will ever drive this point home in people's frightened minds.

It would be nice to have some reforms, but that's not what anti gun people want. They want everything. We could pass reforms and somebody will shoot up some gun free zone and people will be back to take more. It's a never ending circle that only stops at fully stripping the right to own a firearm completely. Some aren't even ashamed to admit it.

My body, my choice in how to protect it. Prisons are gun free, prisoners have very few rights. Yet rape / violence in prisons are a running joke everyone enjoys repeating. I will not be a prisoner.

Good luck to OP with their party but I want no part of it. Plus they aren't in favor of legalizing all drugs so you support the police state's right to continue to ruin lives and shoot people for fun with no repercussions. Not to mention the lives lost from tainted unregulated drugs of a unknown potency. Oh and nothing on replacing First-past-the-post voting so we can have more then two parties? Super hard pass. We'd only be 3-4 generations before the capitalist class captures this political party as well. If not less.

If only we could join a commune that best reflects each of our values. OP could be completely unarmed in their commune and mine would have nukes cause humans are psychotic hairless apes that only respect one thing. Overwhelming violence.

SocialistRA.org

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[–] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 27 points 1 day ago (24 children)

it's wild that only 55% of you guys want a fairer health care system

[–] underwire212@lemm.ee 9 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

It’s because the phrase “Medicare for all” has been propagandized. If you instead asked if people wanted “affordable medical treatment and preventative care for themselves and others”, I’m sure that number would be much higher.

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[–] elatedCatfish@lemm.ee 24 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I agree with almost all of these but some of these numbers were definitely pulled out of someone’s ass

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[–] Nunar@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (7 children)

AOC and Bernie are tearing up things! Support them everywhere! Especially on social media.

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

70% couldn't ve bothered voting knowing it meant democracy's end

Good intentions are important Americans, but you cannot make the world a better place just by having good intentions and navel gazing

[–] Willllooooow@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I don't believe e any of these numbers.

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[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 21 points 2 days ago (6 children)

90% of the US don't want more gun control laws. As a percentage that would be saying that every state in the US except Texas wants more gun laws ... it's not right.

I consider myself liberal, but would never support taking away someone's rights. Own all the guns and even a fucking tank if you want ... but you will go to jail if you harm someone with them.

We were given the right to have firearms for the exact situation that is happening now.

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (8 children)

I think most people, including "moderate" Republicans, have polled in favor of regulations that make it easier to catch criminals and prevent people convicted of violent crimes from buying guns.

The firearms lobbyists have prevented this, and politicians conflate normal regulations with the "Obama is coming to take your guns" threat for easy political support.

If we could get people to believe reasonable regulations are possible and not get distracted by the fear mongering we would actually have better laws.

But as it stands, conservatives believe the Republicans and Trump are protecting them from liberals stealing their guns. And this is despite Trump saying ‘Take the guns first, go through due process second’

Le-sigh

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

politicians conflate normal regulations with the "Obama is coming to take your guns" threat for easy political support

Democrats do make this rather easy with bullshit like 'assault weapon' bans

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[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The whole gun control should be formulated as „sane regulation of gun ownership and sales“. Focusing on illegal guns instead of law abiding gun owners might be a good choice as well. Assault weapons ban and similar are ineffective window dressing policies.

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[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Democracy seems to be broken in the US if this is true

[–] FarraigePlaisteach@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago

USA is not considered a “full democracy” outside of the USA itself. It does not rank particularly highly on indexes of democracies either.

[–] lunarul@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This is by design, the US election system was built to prevent "tyranny of the majority". Which makes sense in theory, but it would make more sense if it was also backed by a government structure like a parliamentary republic with proportional representation instead of a presidential republic.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 17 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Clearly people aren't voting the same way they're answering surveys. I don't see how forming a new party will make that happen.

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[–] exploitedamerican@lemm.ee 16 points 2 days ago (23 children)

The 2 biggest demographics of growing gun owners are women of color and trans people.

The idea that we should disarm the working class to further concentrate weapons in the hands of militarized forces who are known for abusing their power with impunity is just moronic.

I think the 50501 movement is more tepid centrist neo liberalism and thats the last thing we need here. We need real leftism. You dint fight the far rught with the right leaning center you fight it with leftism. And karl marx one of the fathers of modern leftist thinking said it best/“ any attempt to disarm the workers should be frustrated by force if necessary” the government acting like a nanny state and prohibiting things deemed dangerous by those at the top is never effective. Drugs and alcohol prohibition onky made things worse except for those profiting from exploiting prohibition

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 14 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Yes, Dems need to give up on gun control. My wife and I are lifeling Dems and just bought each other handguns and range time for valentines day. We feel we will be needing guns

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[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Maybe more of us should own guns right now.

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[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Only a little more than half support Medicare for all? Is this a terminology issue, or are 45% of Americans that terrible?

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 16 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Sadly there's this idea that Americans are being taxed to death, when in reality not so much.

People don't understand that while we'd pay maybe hundreds more in taxes to fund Single Payer, we'd pay THOUSANDS less in healthcare costs, so we still come out ahead

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[–] arotrios@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

This is a better platform than the Dems provided in 2024. Upvoted and cross-posted.

[–] i_am_hiding@aussie.zone 13 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Be all that as it may, but sweet fuck all percent of you actually vote, so what difference will it make?

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[–] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think you need to somehow get money out of politics or these majorities will continue to be divided.

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[–] pr06lefs@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Such a party should have rejecting corporate/foreign/etc money as part of its platform. Also candidates should be barred from owning stock.

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[–] LonstedBrowryBased@lemm.ee 10 points 2 days ago (9 children)

I agree with every single one of those except for the taking away my guns part. The second amendment is vitally important for the exact reason of what we are going through right now: the overtaking of the US government by oppressive fascists.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

It doesn't say anything about taking away guns. It says gun control laws. These often include things like a waiting period to purchase a gun if you don't have your concealed weapons license. Or bans on people owning guns if they have previous convictions for assault/battery.

The first they try to do to prevent crimes of passion. Basically if someone finds out their spouse is cheating on them and they find out, they don't walk into a pawn shop, walk out immediately with a gun go shoot the person they cheated with, their spouse and then themselves. Instead the hope is that they walk into the pawn store, buy the gun, they tell them they can come back in 5 days and pick it up. And hopefully in 5 days they will have calmed down enough they have found a better way to deal with the situation. States like Florida had these rules for handguns because they are easier to conceal while shotguns and rifles you could walk out with same day. Desantis I believe changed the gun laws recently though, so idk what they are anymore. I've bought guns in Florida and Tennessee, and I always thought laws like that were reasonable.

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[–] WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (14 children)

I mean realistically what is you owning a gun gonna do against a drone strike or whatever other tech the military has? The only way a revolution happens in the modern day is if the military lets it. I can definitely see the value in guns for protection against paramilitary groups trying to go after people but beyond that guns aren't gonna stop the US government from doing fascist stuff if the military is on their side.

Edit: Also at a certain point if you're actively fighting and resisting against the government getting access to guns even if they are illegal isn't gonna be the biggest problem you have.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 8 points 2 days ago

I mean realistically what is you owning a gun gonna do against a drone strike or whatever other tech the military has?

All of that tech is reliant on logistics. People in trucks, moving stuff from where it is, to where it will be used.

With guns, that logistics network is vulnerable.

The Russians spent 10 years fighting Afghan resistance, and lost. The US spent 20 years fighting Afghan resistance, and lost. The American civilian populace is much better equipped than Afghani fighters ever were. Any forceful defeat of the American populace will require civil disarmament.

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[–] moakley@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Only 69% support same sex marriage? That seems low.

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[–] Necroscope0@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Our entire US system is set up to make it so that it is essentially (literally) impossible for a third party to win. This article gives a decent basic overview of why: https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4947662-why-a-third-party-presidential-candidate-can-never-win/

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[–] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 9 points 23 hours ago

The current two party system doesn't represent what the majority wants. Both parties work for the super wealthy. Until we get rid of the Democratic and Republican parties nothing good will happen.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Then why didn't they fucking vote for it?

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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Drop the anti-gun arguments; they aren't based on reality.

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