Time to break free of traditional political ideological labeling and divisions. Time to abandon old, divisive sociopolitical labels like "liberal" and "conservative".
A new political party based on a vastly, commonly held virtures lends itself to embrace over 66% of Americans, and it clearly embraces progressive principled thinking. In the most ideal American sense of unity, a political party should not be able to be defined or placed as "to the left" or "to the right" of where the Democratic or Republican parties currently are. Just let it exist organically based on present-day principled thinking. The American Progressive Majority.
Originally Posted By u/Atlanticbboy At 2025-03-23 04:38:18 AM | Source
It doesn't say anything about taking away guns. It says gun control laws. These often include things like a waiting period to purchase a gun if you don't have your concealed weapons license. Or bans on people owning guns if they have previous convictions for assault/battery.
The first they try to do to prevent crimes of passion. Basically if someone finds out their spouse is cheating on them and they find out, they don't walk into a pawn shop, walk out immediately with a gun go shoot the person they cheated with, their spouse and then themselves. Instead the hope is that they walk into the pawn store, buy the gun, they tell them they can come back in 5 days and pick it up. And hopefully in 5 days they will have calmed down enough they have found a better way to deal with the situation. States like Florida had these rules for handguns because they are easier to conceal while shotguns and rifles you could walk out with same day. Desantis I believe changed the gun laws recently though, so idk what they are anymore. I've bought guns in Florida and Tennessee, and I always thought laws like that were reasonable.
Waiting periods are ineffective, especially against their other supposed use, suicide prevention. The likelihood of suicide (in the applicable suicidal people) is highest the day the sale completes and remains elevated for months. Besides, everyone has a bottle of [redacted] at home and a [redacted] within 5min of their house they can go to, and that second method is more effective than guns actually. (Redacted because suicide ain't cool kids, seek professional help if you're considering.) Also they don't significantly impact crimes of passion, if the guy can't get a gun he can still go OJ on them as well, and then there's the whole "he probably still wants to kill them next week if he wants to today" thing. It can help those instances, but often it doesn't. And though you mentioned it (which is rare), afaik all states that have them do so on all applicable gun purchases not just first time which is clearly ridiculous, if someone already has one the waiting period is useless. Furthermore it can also actively cause harm, think for instance a woman escaping her abusive husband and taking the kids to her mom's. If he has guns or even just a bat, and she has nothing but police 11+ min away (natl avg response time to emergencies), she may need a gun to stop her soon to be ex from family annihilating like Chris Benoit, and artificial waiting periods (artificial because it's not that they do additional background checking, the NICs clears and then your 3-10d wait begins) could prevent her from doing so and allow the husband to murder them.
Previous convictions already do come into play, but only felonies or misdemeanor domestic violence convictions. Frankly that's sorta fair (except I don't think non-violent felons should be barred, actually). I want to agree because assault and battery sounds bad even at the misdemeanor level, but in reality that could be anything from "beats Asian people up for fun" (looking at you Mark Wahlberg, he prob shouldn't have one) to "spit on a cop one time while blacked out." Like, yeah, spitting on cops is bad and stuff, but I don't think it's bad enough to warrant loss of rights for life, and I say that as a (not cop) that has been spit on, fuck that guy forever but he should still keep his rights, we were kids, we fought it out, it's fine. Both of those count as assault, for instance.
You say waiting periods are ineffective but there isn't evidence of such. You say a bottle of pills is not effective but evidence shows otherwise. Sites I see say you are 45x more likely to die from attempting suicide with a gun than with pills.
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I never said a bottle of pills is not effective, just that it isn't statistically as effective as guns (though more easily/widely available), and I'm right, and your pic actually says some of that itself. (And do I need a source for my claim that OTC medicine is more commonly owned than guns? I think it's fairly self evident.)
It's the second method that is actually more effective statistically than guns (actually it may be the only more effective method widely available lol. And again, nobody out there kill yourselves, it's bad and uncool).
As to waiting periods not being effective in curbing suicides, research into california's (then 15-day) waiting period showed the potential is highest the day the sale completes, and remains high for a couple months after when they already have it. As in "suicidal man goes to buy gun, gets told to wait 15 days, waits 15 days, gets the gun, and goes home and does it, or doesn't, buuuut then next time he feels suicidal he already has one and then he does it." 15 days isn't really long enough to get people out of suicidal ideation, it likely isn't even enough time to get them to their first therapist apointment.
Nah, I read your words as saying it doesn't matter if you have a gun because everyone has pills at home. And I was saying pills aren't nearly as effective. (Must have been a miscommunication) In your next example you saved a person from committing suicide, and gave them more time to think/work out a better solution. 15 days later will he commit suicide? Maybe. But he didn't commit suicide 15 days prior. You walked him back off that cliff by taking away the cliff for 15 days. It's about hope I guess. You hope they get better in time.
Yet according to California often they don't find a solution within 15 days, they sit stewing on it until they're able to get the gun. Most suicidal people aren't just having a bad afternoon (or a bad 15 afternoons), y'know? It's usually months/years.
Sure it can slow them down and they may suddenly see the error of their ways within that 15 days, and I'm sure that has happened, but it can also stop someone who needs to protect themselves from a stalker/abuser and I'm sure that has happened as well.
Honestly the only way I can see it helping is if they let their plot to harm themselves or others slip and someone does something about it like an adjudicated IVC within those 3-10 (it's no longer 15) days, which is unlikely, but I'm sure that has happened as well.