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Originally Posted By u/Atlanticbboy At 2025-03-23 04:38:18 AM | Source
You say waiting periods are ineffective but there isn't evidence of such. You say a bottle of pills is not effective but evidence shows otherwise. Sites I see say you are 45x more likely to die from attempting suicide with a gun than with pills.
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I never said a bottle of pills is not effective, just that it isn't statistically as effective as guns (though more easily/widely available), and I'm right, and your pic actually says some of that itself. (And do I need a source for my claim that OTC medicine is more commonly owned than guns? I think it's fairly self evident.)
It's the second method that is actually more effective statistically than guns (actually it may be the only more effective method widely available lol. And again, nobody out there kill yourselves, it's bad and uncool).
As to waiting periods not being effective in curbing suicides, research into california's (then 15-day) waiting period showed the potential is highest the day the sale completes, and remains high for a couple months after when they already have it. As in "suicidal man goes to buy gun, gets told to wait 15 days, waits 15 days, gets the gun, and goes home and does it, or doesn't, buuuut then next time he feels suicidal he already has one and then he does it." 15 days isn't really long enough to get people out of suicidal ideation, it likely isn't even enough time to get them to their first therapist apointment.
Nah, I read your words as saying it doesn't matter if you have a gun because everyone has pills at home. And I was saying pills aren't nearly as effective. (Must have been a miscommunication) In your next example you saved a person from committing suicide, and gave them more time to think/work out a better solution. 15 days later will he commit suicide? Maybe. But he didn't commit suicide 15 days prior. You walked him back off that cliff by taking away the cliff for 15 days. It's about hope I guess. You hope they get better in time.
Yet according to California often they don't find a solution within 15 days, they sit stewing on it until they're able to get the gun. Most suicidal people aren't just having a bad afternoon (or a bad 15 afternoons), y'know? It's usually months/years.
Sure it can slow them down and they may suddenly see the error of their ways within that 15 days, and I'm sure that has happened, but it can also stop someone who needs to protect themselves from a stalker/abuser and I'm sure that has happened as well.
Honestly the only way I can see it helping is if they let their plot to harm themselves or others slip and someone does something about it like an adjudicated IVC within those 3-10 (it's no longer 15) days, which is unlikely, but I'm sure that has happened as well.