Time to break free of traditional political ideological labeling and divisions. Time to abandon old, divisive sociopolitical labels like "liberal" and "conservative".
A new political party based on a vastly, commonly held virtures lends itself to embrace over 66% of Americans, and it clearly embraces progressive principled thinking. In the most ideal American sense of unity, a political party should not be able to be defined or placed as "to the left" or "to the right" of where the Democratic or Republican parties currently are. Just let it exist organically based on present-day principled thinking. The American Progressive Majority.
Originally Posted By u/Atlanticbboy At 2025-03-23 04:38:18 AM | Source
These numbers are bullshit.
Who in their right mind actually believes Americans prefer gun control to: abortion care, legal weed, gay marriage, higher minimum wage, and home ownership.
Like regardless of what you or I want for America, that's an actual load of shit. Too many people love their guns, there's literally more guns than people here.
There are more guns than people because people that own guns own multiple. And people that own a lot of guns own a loooot of guns. 29% of gun owners own five or more guns. It takes like 2 seconds to confirm this shit...
Nearly half of all American households have a gun. 44% to be exact.
If even a third of everyone in those households didn't want gun control (33% of 44% is a little over 14.5% total), then that statistic is wrong.
gun control ≠ gun law reform. My MAGA grandpa can see that there needs to be some restriction because so man kids are dead.
Why should I believe any of these statistics when the percentage of gun owners is verifiably wrong.
I'm just not gonna trust any of the numbers in this post.
Honestly that's the one number that is the most difficult to confirm. The NRA lobbied congress to ban the ability to perform studies to gather any meaningful statistics on guns within the USA. No federal agency can perform the studies, nor can they fund those studies, nor can they acknowledge third party studies when making policy. So there's no good longitudinal studies on things like suicide rates because that would harm the fucking gun manufacturers.
Actually this isn't strictly true. The CDC is allowed to study gun related stuff, they're just not allowed to use it to advocate for gun control. The people at the CDC decided that was too scary and they'd rather not do it at all lest they be blamed for advocacy, when in reality they should just publish the data without "the opinion" and let readers conclude their own opinions, and argue that's within the bounds of the law in court later if need be. It isn't like anyone would go to jail over it, they'd probably just be fired at most, maybe fined, if they did go to jail it'd be one of the kushy Martha Stewart ones anyway.
I can't say I really blame them for playing it safe, but I still think it's better my way and if I ran the CDC that'd be my move, even if that meant I'd have to go to the Martha Stewart jail and be a lil' uncomfortable for a few months.
Damn y'all are lazy AF. It took me 20 seconds to google this article from 2020:
So it seems like the graphic is slightly off 72% vs 68% for 2020.
But the article also has a chart with historic values betwen 27% and 34% from 2007 - 2020. So 73%-66% seems like a fairly accurate range.
Verify it then? I don't know what specific study they're referencing because the citation is too broad, but that 2017 link is 69% don't currently own, 72 seems within that margin
I'm one of those people with 50+ guns. I love guns. I used to sell guns.
I still think we do need some new firearm legislation. Specifically, we need universal background checks because as long as a secondary market without background checks exists, straw purchases are effectively legal.
My personal policy on selling guns to someone privately is they have to have a concealed carry license, because that license means they've passed the background check that I can't perform.
It also will help people who accidentally commit felonies. How many people reading this thread knew that a dad giving his gun to his son is fine most of the time, but a federal felony if they live in different states and the gun is a pistol, even if the gun is legal in both states?
On the flip side, supressors should be legal with no restrictions. It's pants-on-head stupid that they aren't. They make guns less harmful.
This is a phony and misleading quote. The article says 44% of people live in a house with a gun but the number of people who own guns is lower. Here's the actual quote:
I think, when people overtly lie about this kind of stuff, it's not worth arguing anymore.
I literally said 44% of american households own a gun, which is exactly in line with the qoute.
At no time did I imply that meant 44% of all American adults own guns. It wouldn't even make sense to, considering the comment above links to information to the contrary.
If that's what you got from what I said, then you need to check your reading comprehension.
That being said, the 44% of those people, regardless of whether or not they own the guns, are less likely to want more gun control.
Not sure what more you want.
Loving their guns and wanting better gun control laws aren't two opposite things you know. They can easily go hand in hand. See Canada to the north. Lots of guns, and better gun control laws.
I've made an argument in favor of pretty much the most basic form of gun control, having a license that proves you know how to operate a firearm (kinda like you need a drivers license to prove you know how to drive a car). Even that gets push back. Whoever that mythical person is who is both loving guns and wanting better gun control laws, they're a minority of a minority.
I'm here to prove your point.
You really want a historically racist government with a history already of using concealed carry permits and pistol purchase permits to disproportionately deny black people and other POC their right to protect themselves to have the power to do it more, and right when we elect the guy everyone calls "Hitler 2: This time it's personal?" The similar laws that already exist are already abused and not in a way you'd agree with (mostly, there are some states who use those same impediments to just deny everyone their rights instead of targeting POC, except for the rich of course because they're better than us peons and deserve to protect themselves, if you die you just add to the stats, they don't care, but if a CEO dies they'll have to find a replacement, and that could effect donations! But uhh...is that "good?")
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https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/26/politics/cnn-poll-gun-laws/index.html
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/06/06/1103252636/many-gun-owners-are-hesitant-to-express-support-for-stricter-gun-control-measure
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23141651/gun-control-american-approval-polling
It's not some mythical person that wants it.
We all know that won't be the end of gun control if we had free training for new gun owners to get licensed. I took Hunter safety before I could hunt as a minor, it was immensely helpful to have such good fundamentals.
Also, should we make people get licensed to vote? Or to be able to say what they want? To practice their religion? How about a "EZ pass" license to avoid random searches in your home? We already normalized it in airports... why not your home to? Don't worry, it's for the greater good.