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[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 194 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

USA could have spent money developing an electrified economy but the republicans are focusing on bringing back coal mining and reshoring shoe manufacturing instead.

This admin has set the USA back 100 years.

ETA - what I mean is that China is rampaging on in electrification, developing manufacturing skills, infrastructure, and design/engineering/technology around renewables and electrification. Europe is thinking about it but not going crazy to the extent China is, because legacy - China doesn’t have 100 years of cars and 150 years of trains; they’re building new. USA meanwhile is actively regressing under Republican policies.

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 54 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Which kind of blows my mind. Coal miners should love EVs. There was a story in the news a few years ago about how nice it was for the miners to help someone in an EV, as if they should be mortal enemies.

Non-EV cars don't run on coal, they run on gasoline. EVs on the other hand can run on coal, natural gas, solar, wind, you name it - and still are more energy efficient than cars burning gasoline. In a sane world, coal miners would be throwing their support behind electric vehicles. The utility companies seem to understand this, but seems like the support hasn't made its way up the supply chain.

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[–] Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago

Especially when you see some of the tech being rocked in Asian cities

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This admin has set the USA back 100 years.

Again. They already enshrined "billionaires get all the money" in the one legislative victory of trumps first term.

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[–] balder1991@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

But… but… those good ol’ days felt so good! We need to relive those days!

[–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This isn't exclusively a problem of the new administration, or the previous. All administrations since the late 20th century have been compliant in allowing the offshoring of most industry

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 week ago

It’s not just industry. Now they’re killing the development of skills and knowledge in engineering (hardware, software) and design

[–] TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 12 points 1 week ago

The problem is systemic, it didn’t start with Trump. He’s just way more flagrant.

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 65 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And in the US we just block foreign options because it is gov policy to artificially support specific corporations.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 57 points 1 week ago (3 children)

the country of free market capitalism...

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Oddly libertarians never acknowledge that market leaders ask for theses things. The biggest threat to the free market are capitalists themselves.

[–] clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

American libertarianism is just a form of nationalism mixed with a strong dose of "don't nose into muh life"

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[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 45 points 1 week ago (12 children)

i hate musk, but i am not wild about our dependence on china either, so i am not really sure who to root for in this fight...

[–] SpaceRanger13@lemm.ee 100 points 1 week ago (24 children)

I would say go with whatever company that doesn't have a CEO throwing Nazi salutes.

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Yeah, the Chinese manufacturers are out to make money, and at least we know what to expect from them.

Besides, being profitable usually means making a better product than your competitors.

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 15 points 1 week ago (11 children)

GASP!

You mean... Proper capitalism!?

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[–] pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Root for better public transport and active cities instead of car dependency :)

[–] StenSaksTapir@feddit.dk 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The public transport bus I take to and from work is a Chinese made electric. It's a Yutong E15.

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[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (22 children)

Competition is good for the consumer. More options from more players will encourage more charging infrastructure and (ostensibly) more innovation. It's not just Elon Musk vs China. Every automaker that wants to sell cars in the USA is on notice. If they want to compete in the EV subcategory, they need to focus on price and performance. People want budget-conscious EVs.

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[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (16 children)

Everywhere is depndent on China, buy the car that isnt overtly a fascist car. They also suck.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Even before the current political situation I wouldn't have bought a Tesla. They have a documented quality problem and not very good customer service at least outside of the US.

Why would I buy a car that is not only more likely than most to break but when it does break it's hard to get fixed. Spare parts are notoriously hard to get hold of and you usually have to deal with Tesla directly which is a problem because they don't have a lot of dealerships in the UK. Also they won't come to you, so if your car won't start you have to arrange a pickup.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They have terrible customer service in the US too. I think it's their business model: find people who enjoy being treated like an asshole and sell them overpriced shit.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (2 children)

as customers switch to Chinese EVs

Sure. That's the reason.

[–] killabeezio@lemmy.zip 76 points 1 week ago (12 children)

I don't think that's what they meant. I think they are just saying that people are still buying EVs, but they are just going to Chinese and other manufacturers instead of buying a Tesla. The article specifically calls out the stupid shit Elon has been doing.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 1 week ago

Which is important because about a year ago the headlines were saying EV sales were collapsing. In fact, it was just Tesla having less market share of new EVs sold because other manufacturers got off their ass.

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[–] hark@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Looking forward to Tesla reporting Q2 earnings next month. I assume another round of disastrous numbers paired up with some vaporware distraction. Perhaps they can keep this charade going, but at some point reality will catch up.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just give Elon more of some new drug. /s

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

Good, continue with the downward spiral.

[–] misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Hitler was "incendiary" and "political" but I think there's a four-letter word so much better, so much more concise, that this wording is actual disinformation.

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[–] yarr@feddit.nl 16 points 1 week ago (4 children)

This is one of the reason that the USA being heavy handed with Chinese is going to bite us in the ass. While in the USA, we bury our heads in the sand and GM, Tesla and etc. all crank out $95,000 giant trucks/SUVs, some companies in China are making very, very affordable vehicles. These aren't necessarily garbage either -- there's models available for almost any price point.

What WOULD be really smart and forward thinking is if in the USA, the domestic brands also make some affordable models to get EV more popular. However, they are addicted to fat profit margins, and thanks to all the protectionism, they don't need to worry about offshore models being "better".

While other nations either develop and/or import affordable EVs, we're effectively banning them. This is all going to end up with a giant wake up call for American auto-manufacturers when the protections/tariffs are ultimately lifted and they HAVE to compete.

I think it would be great if the tariffs came with huge incentives for domestic manufacturers and motivated them to be competitive. Instead, it's just letting them segment the market for a few years and make a killing. Who loses? The people...

[–] weew@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago

These cars are passing EU safety tests which are generally more demanding than the USA.

They are definitely getting good, fast.

[–] immutable@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago

Not just people, the economy will end up paying the price.

Tariffs have horrible second order effects.

Every companies outputs is some other companies inputs.

American companies end up locked out of more affordable vehicles as inputs. That cost then gets baked into its output, which is some other company’s input. Then just keep following that chain.

The best broad blanket tariffs can hope to do is trade long term competitiveness for some short term price increase.

Americans will wonder why other nations eat our lunch in the coming decades. Well that foreign company could buy the cheaper machine to produce the widget, their raw materials cost less to deliver because the transit company that ships it in charges a better rate because they have lower vehicle overhead. Since they have 2 dozen suppliers for their components both foreign and domestic they are forced to compete on quality and price.

American companies will become even more bloated and inefficient

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[–] Pirate@feddit.org 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Chinese electric cars are just better. BYD is what Tesla wanted to be, but actually fulfills its promises. Plus it isn't ran by a nazi dictator.

[–] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I uh.. you sure about that dictator thing? xi jinping enters the chat

[–] Pirate@feddit.org 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

If you think Xi Jinping is dictating what BYD does with their cars then you don't understand the fundamentals as to why China managed to attract so much foreign investment and got to where they are now in the first place.

[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (16 children)

Foreign investment was because of cheap labor and companies being subsidized by the communist government......

BYD might make a better car than Tesla, but saying that a Chinese company isn't "under the control of Xi Jinping", the guy who crushed Hong Kong for having too much independence and wants to do the same with Taiwan, is laughable.

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[–] 3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Here in the UK Musk is just seen as an idiot. Some decent European EV solutions coming along but the Chinese cars are so much better value than Tesla OR the main European makes. Couldn't happen to a nicer megalomaniac and as a plus I love seeing the monthly SpaceX explosions

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