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Trump’s lawyers claim they’ve found a loophole that will allow Trump to ship immigrants overseas to be tortured.

Federal law states that the United States shall not “expel, extradite, or otherwise effect the involuntary return of any person to a country in which there are substantial grounds for believing the person would be in danger of being subjected to torture.” This law implements a treaty, known as the Convention Against Torture, which the United States ratified more than three decades ago.

Federal regulations, moreover, provide that even after an immigration judge has determined that a noncitizen may be deported to another country, that judge’s order “shall not be executed in circumstances that would violate Article 3 of the United Nations Convention Against Torture.” And those regulations also establish a process that immigrants can use to raise concerns with an immigration judge that they may be tortured if sent to a specific country.

The Trump administration, however, claims it has discovered a loophole that renders all of these legal protections worthless, and is now asking the Supreme Court to explicitly give it the authority to make use of that loophole in order to enact its immigration policies.

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[–] Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com 278 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

Trump has a team of people who dedicated time, energy, and resources, to find a loophole around a ban on torture.

That sums up this administration's direction pretty succinctly.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 69 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

I agree, but there’s a difference. Trump is a figurehead. It’s not his team. Project 2025 and the Heritage Foundation are the “deep state” that the right voters were convinced were controlling them through the dems. Peter Thiel, Putin, the Koch, Scaife, Uihlein, Bradley families and/or foundations, Barre Seid, Leonard Leo, Coors, Walmart, Exxon mobile, etc etc they’re all financing and guiding the hydra.

Trump goes away and Peter Thiel wormtongues Vance into doing the same shit

[–] Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Totally agree with what you said. It was just easier to get a point across pointing at TrumpCo.

No way in hell he's top dog in this shit show, just a gullible fool of hate and piss.

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[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 days ago

I can't wait for Nuremberg 2: electric boogaloo

[–] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

As always, the cruelty is the point

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[–] justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io 112 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Obama pardoning the Bush admin for torture was seen as weak and pathetic at the time, and its worse now.

He should have thrown the book at Bush and co.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 33 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Obama should have done a lot of things. I'm happy he did Obamacare but man he could have been so much more. Such a wasted chance. And making Biden his VP was a catastrophic error. Biden sabotaged the shit out of everything he touched.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Obamacare despite the Republicans throwing the mother of all tantrums about it was such a weak half assed piece of legislation. It was literally a Republican policy before Obama stole it and rebranded it. What he ran on and promised was a proper single payer healthcare the same as the rest of the world has. What we got was a federal search engine for insurance policies and very minor guarantees of what those policies will cover (and even that small gain is increasingly in danger of being removed).

Obama was one of the least offensive presidents of recent memory, but that's far from being a good president. He certainly did some good things, but not as many as his reputation would make you think.

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[–] Zier@fedia.io 87 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Orange hitler needs to be impeached, removed from office, and sent to prison for his previous and current crimes.

[–] D_C@lemm.ee 40 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I was hoping this would happen after his first term. However it will never, ever, EVER, happen. There just isn't anyone with a spine who will do anything about him.

Now I'm hoping he gets a debilitating stroke/heart attack.
Or a long painful death. Colon cancer is fine, anything that can't be treated.
Last resort is assassination, not because I'm above such things or find it distasteful etc. I was, but not anymore. No, it's because if that happens then it'll probably be quick and painless. And that racist rapist kiddie fiddler doesn't fucking deserve that mercy.

Assassination would stop him from hurting people quicker than cancer. Even if he had a stroke that debilitated him he wouldn't get impeached, he'd just effectively be a more obedient puppet.

Not to mention, assassination sends a message to his peers too. As much as I want him to suffer, I think a quick assassination would be more effective.

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[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago (5 children)
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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 65 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Is there no evil idea these guys don't love?

[–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

You could look at it from the perspective of the moral foundations.

  • Care/harm✅
  • Fairness/cheating✅
  • Loyalty?/betrayal?
  • Authority?/subversion?
  • Sanctity?/degradation?
  • Liberty/oppression✅

Only about half of these are clear to me. I think Trump needs to step up his game if he wants to get to the worst outcome possible.

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[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 54 points 4 days ago

If you face torture or deathcamps, It's better to go out shooting.

[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 48 points 4 days ago
[–] AdamBomb@lemmy.sdf.org 43 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If you’re on the side of torture, you’re one of the bad guys

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Can we not relitigate this. I remember this from like 18 years ago. It was not a good time.

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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 36 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Trump’s lawyers claim they’ve found a loophole that will allow Trump to ship immigrants overseas to be tortured.

Legal or not, why are you looking for excuses to torture people?

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 8 points 3 days ago

To torture people, of course.

State terrorism, plain and simple

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[–] CM400@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago (1 children)

According to President Donald Trump’s lawyers, the administration can simply wait until after an immigration judge has conducted the proceeding that ordinarily would determine whether a particular noncitizen may be deported to a particular country, and then, if that noncitizen is allowed to be deported, announce that the immigrant will be deported to some previously unmentioned country — even if that immigrant reasonably fears they will be tortured in that nation.

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 6 points 4 days ago

Shit. That is going to work. The SCOTUS will want to suck Trumps balls a little after telling him "no" 5-6 times ... to make it up to him. I bet they are going to pass this.

[–] mhague@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago (8 children)

We should have Trump dragged through the streets by a Tesla.

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[–] MyOpinion@lemmy.today 24 points 4 days ago

Just what we need to put in the hands of this Orange piece of human shit.

[–] LMurch@thelemmy.club 23 points 4 days ago

Pretty tough talk from the orange dude that vociferously whines about reporters asking "nasty" questions.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

extraordinary rendition meets enhanced interrogation, I guess.

Sean Hannity still hasn't been waterboarded for charity.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] Lupus@feddit.org 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And immediately admitting he was wrong about it not being torture.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It absolutely is torture. I’ve experienced consensual waterboarding myself and even if you are doing it willingly and are mentally prepared, consenting to it - it is absolutely terrifying. Your brain screams at you, just pumps your body full of fear chemicals.

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[–] Dillenger69@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'd be happy if he got his wish and then magically disappeared and we heard rumors of him being waterboarded for fun. I'd do it myself.

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[–] nooneescapesthelaw@mander.xyz 17 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Haven't they already been doing this in Guantanamo?

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[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

We’re so fucked.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

See, this is why gwb and his cronies should have been prosecuted.

Instead, centrists were delighted when harris got dick cheney's endorsement, and were upset when gwb declined to endorse.

[–] Xtallll@piefed.blahaj.zone 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

So his loop hole is when a judge says the government can't send someone to Country A to be tortured, send them to Country B to be tortured with out asking a judge.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

Weird, why would he want to do that.

[–] RealSpiderLane@lemmy.zip 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

reads headline

WHYYYYYYYYUUHHHHH

[–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago (9 children)

WHYYYYYYYYUUHHHHH

Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.

George Orwell, 1984

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[–] ChojinDSL@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The U.S. has been doing stuff like this for a while in the war against terrorism, e.g. transporting suspects to other countries where they can be tortured for information.

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[–] Triflingmagoo@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago

Orange man is really leaning into this role of authoritarian dictator, isn’t he?

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (3 children)

The fact that the riots have only just started, and for something that has been going on for months, says a lot about the citizens of the US. I have no faith in any of you.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Reiteration that the US system is set up to quell citizen action by design. Also, relatively, what has happened in LA so far pales in comparison to riots in the past, it is mostly just protests with occasional flare-ups by agents provocateur or the random crazy. Media then takes the sound/video bites of that handful of events, and make it look like the whole thing is like that.

Notes:

  • The country is massive. There's no real rail system to speak of. Air travel is falling apart. Not everyone has a car in shape enough to handle a 3000 mile road trip to go to DC and egg an orange turd.
  • Those who aren't already buying food on BNPL plans and credit cards probably still have medical expenses, never-ending medical expenses. Those who are, are living negative-paycheck-to-paycheck. This limits any kind of movement.
  • Those aforementioned medical expenses are tied to employment, lose your job, lose your insurance (for you and your family), go into medical debt, lose medications, die.
  • Employment often has little-to-no time off available, and many employers require planning weeks or months in advance to take time off.
  • Arbitrary time off means: losing your job, your medications, your home, your car, your food, your life.
  • Companies are already raising prices because of "tariffs" regardless if the products in question are actually affected by it, same game they play any time they have an excuse to milk people for more money. There will be no regulating to stop this. People will have even less money for basics.

It isn't like what was seen in Germany or South Korea a while back where the country is small, travel is easy, and everyone can go protest without fear of losing their job/health/life just by acting upon their legal right to protest. If you've never driven on the ground across the USA, you have absolutely no scale of scope on how massive it is.

However the US ends up playing out, it will be vastly different from first-world nations. Speculating that things will have to get much worse before people have to start risking their lives to then risk their lives just to protest. By then, it might very well be fight time.

First-world nations should probably (and they are) just prep for the US not being available, or an ally, and probably leaning in on the US being an antagonist for the foreseeable future. This cancer is going to continue to be a rough ride for the entire planet. Don't blame the US citizens though. Citizens are a pawn in this oligarchy. Even the ones that were deceived into voting for a senile potted plant. That delusion they teach kids that, "even you can be President some day!" are just words to make people think they have control in the current system, so they don't try to find out they actually don't.

Other tidbits:

  • People are keeping it local, but local protests don't tend to make national/international news. You have to check local socials like city subreddits, and even then, it will have little effective impact, because those in the know locally already know, and the information will only make it to Mango Mussolini and his compatriots if it affects one of his billionaire buddies in real or perceived ways.
  • Attacking your local government and businesses which may already be in support of keeping America free isn't really going to help anything other than damage local infrastructure that will probably have a funding gap to ever fix it, given how the Federal government is canceling everything they can.
  • US corpo national news seems to have a supreme bias towards the big coastal cities, LA, NYC, DC. The thousands of cities and states spread across the country fall off the radar unless some large sustained traumatic event is taking place.
  • Subdivision and censoring of social media has made it difficult to keep messaging clear and available, but people are trying.
  • Let's not even factor in that climate change is already kicking off a hell of a summer, and with FEMA now nonexistent, the welfare states that will be hit hardest are going to have more and more people made homeless and starving as the states realize they have no money to fix anything.
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[–] aramova@infosec.pub 12 points 4 days ago

As an American, I have no faith in any of us either.

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[–] don@lemm.ee 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Enough fucking around. CWII now.

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[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

its not like they dont do it anyways, as long as it isnt leaked by people like snowden and Manning.

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