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I like the world building in Fifth Element and Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets. But Luc Besson is probably a rapist and certainly a sexual assaulter. I'll watch his old stuff I already own but won't put any more money towards it nor support any new projects.
Edit: oh, also he's not "cancelled". He came out with another movie this year or last, if I recall. 9 times our of 10, celebrities that say they were "cancelled" just had their feefees hurt by people on social media.
Also a pedo. From his wiki page:
Besson's second wife was actress and director Maïwenn Le Besco, whom he started dating when he was 32 and she was 15 after having met three years earlier.[46] They married in late 1992 when Le Besco, 16, was pregnant with their daughter Shanna, who was born on 3 January 1993.[47][deprecated source] Le Besco later claimed that their relationship inspired Besson's film Léon (1994), where the plot involved the emotional relationship between an adult man and a 12-year-old girl (played by then 12-year-old Natalie Portman).
So not only is he a pedo, but he was proud enough of it he made a movie about it.
Both of the Linuses
Sebastian and Torvalds
Sebastian because most of the shit he's been accused of has either been fixed openly, or was proven mostly false.
Torvalds because while he can be extremely rude, he generally only does it when the person deserves to be called out. It's not like he's going off at random people. Society says he should use more tact, but the dude is literally responsible for creating and now maintaining arguably the most important piece of the server software stack globally. There's also a very high chance he's on the spectrum.
Yeah people can complain Torvalds was rude all day, but fuck me if the people he yelled at couldn't be aggressively disrespectful in bringing half-assed work to the table and doing damage or at best wasting other's people time.
He's the literal "You're not wrong, you're just an asshole". But if he wasn't that way, I wonder if we'd have what we have. A nicer developer wouldn't get the same attention.
You probably needed someone like him in a technical leadership role somewhere, the problem was that he became the face as well.
At least the face isn't steering the brain like most organizations!
Kevin Spacey is a fantastic actor.
His video about what happened is very surreal. It’s on YouTube. I think it’s tied to his House of Cards character but has dual meaning?
Indeed a great actor, but as a ~~Trekker~~ human being, fuck him for how he treated Anthony Rapp (the engineer from Star Trek Discovery).
Totally.
…and if you’re going to take down Kevin Spacey, he should be the 1000th male actor or rock star you go after.
Like…yeah…people should decide if all the accusations (and no convictions) are worth anything…I think they are. But…why are people like Johnny Depp, Mel Gibson, Alex Baldwin, Sean Penn, etc still working…maybe even working more after crazy shit they did?
I don't enjoy or like public figures. Having never met them, I cannot like them. I do enjoy the works or products of some people, and knowing the person(s) who created something can influence my chances of consuming it.
There are some people who have done, or accused of doing bad things, but they have created works that I enjoyed.
AKA, I never "liked" Neil Gaiman. But I do like American Gods.
Fair. I wish the art people made wasn't tainted by their behaviour.
Like I have a soft spot for Vince Neil even though he killed people drunk driving, because of how his poor little daughter died and how badly it's affected him. I can't help it.
michael jackson made incredible music. i don't even know how much of the stuff about him is true but it does feel weird listening to his stuff now, even though it's extremely well made.
I don't think we'll ever know. I have a feeling he actually wasn't a pedophile at all, but just felt close to children because he had Peter Pan syndrome or something. He seemed very infantile to me is the only real sense I got of him. Strange person. But without question he did make some r really iconic music.
yeah that's my impression as well. being a child star really fucks you up mentally.
then again i haven't seen the documentaries.
Ehhhh, I've seen some pics of him being happily surrounded with people known for being sex pests/pedos so idk. Two things can be true, you know, he might have been mentally and developmentally different but he might have also touched some kids, sadly.
I mean, I didn't throw out my Harry Potter boxed set just becsuse Rowling is a dumb fucking TERF. I just don't continue buying shit she profits off of, and can see tons of questionable things in her work that I didn't question before knowing her thoughts on things.
Louis CK
I think the best thing that happened to Louis was his self-exile. If you recall…he didn’t actually get cancelled (well, his shows certainly did). He’s funny to this day and he’s got this built-in reason to stay humble. I thought Bill Burr was going to grab the mantle and stay great forever…but he just got too big and he’s not funny any more, a la Chapelle.
None of them actually get canceled. The only ones who even approach it are the miniscule few who were actually tried and convicted of their crimes. Which we really shouldn't think of as canceled cause it is what is supposed to happen.
Scott Adams, creator of Dilbert. I have several of his print books and still enjoy reading them; ditto his old cartoons. They really spoke to me years ago, as a cubicle-coder.
I really liked Chappelle show, but he's really gone bad the last few years being anti trans and all. To say he's canceled is a bit much, though. He's still rich and popular, and selling tickets.
Never meet your hero. There are some well known people out there that are great human beings, but just as many who are average or below, and being a celebrity won't help a bad personality get better (usually).
Not only for the reason to keep the illusion, but if I saw someone famous in public I wouldn't be that annoying fan that helps push some to the edge. At best I'd just mention I liked their work (not even saying specifics) and let it be. Again, they are people, and I know I don't like to be bothered with small talk from strangers.
A side note that is a bit related to breaking the false image. When you figure out that your parents and other relatives are just people too, with their own greatness and flaws. It's probably healthy in the long run, but the first shock can be nasty.
I guess I should name someone. Tom Cruise is always the first in my mind. Some incredible work, but he's both weird and given how embedded he is with Scientology, can't be that great of a person to know well. But maybe not... he is peculiar though.
I would love to meet the cast of Andor and Tony Gilroy, they seem amazing, intelligent, and down to earth. But going back to my point, at most all I'd be doing is telling them how great they were at their job, and hope that what they portray in interviews is who they really are.
I remember the Vanity Fair article about Cruise where he was having a tantrum at a dinner somewhere and saying "even my own sister can't get me a girlfriend". The article goes on to say that Scientology procured him a girlfriend but later on basically fired her. I don't think he understands human relationships.
Probably performers like Jared Leto and Marilyn Manson. They've made some great albums (A Beautiful Lie and Antichrist Superstar) and movie appearances (Requiem for a Dream and Lost Highway), but I understand why they give people the ick.
Agree on Leto.
Marylin Manson? Meh. Guy was a Fisher Price philosopher for tween goths….almost to the point of cult leader, he always got a pass on that. His appearance in The Lost Highway was purely aesthetic.
I love Manson's music and I always enjoy hearing him interviewed. I struggle with that too.
Lawrence Krauss did this awesome video about global warming for "skeptics" and deniers and it is so good
Only problem I can't really share it because anyone who googles the name learns he's all over the damn Epstein files
Walt Disney
Louis C.K
The reason he got cancelled was so stupid and everyone made it seem like he raped countless women. Also, he asked permission to do what he did. If anyone around him at that time didn't like the sound of him doing what he asked permission for, they could've said 'No' and he wouldn't have done it. I just didn't see Louis being that kind of unreasonable guy but that's what they demonized him as. I think it was all a ploy, to trap him to do what he did so they could demonize him that way.
The only reason I don't care of him that much these days is because I'm being introduced to more comics, that I am finding Louis' material very samey. Like always going on about his kids, family life .etc
He has even admitted himself that he was in a position of power over those women and that makes it considerably harder to say no when the person asking could make or break your career.
I really enjoyed Lost Prophets music, but after what happened, I feel really weird about listening to it. I like it but I don't feel like I should.
I wouldn't recommend looking up what the singer did
Neil Gaiman. I'm extremely depressed that he's actually a POS, and because I loved his work so much, I'm conflicted. His work itself seemed to have well interrogated values woven into it's fiber, but I guess you never can tell.
Edit: really fucking bummed about Red Hot Chili Peppers too
Naomi Wu a.k.a. SexyCyborg on youtube.
Unforgotten.
Got taken out (and we can only imagine how, but surely in a most effective way) of public life because she had the bad luck of living in China.
I don't think this person really fits the question, but I agree with the sentiment.
Bill Cosby is a monster, but his stand-up special "Himself" is a master class on comedic story-telling.
