Wishing death to someone for any reason is quite an extreme position to take outside of these niche internet bubbles that influenced you to think this way in the first place. I honestly struggle a bit when I try to imagine how you deal with the cognitive dissonance of trying to distinguish yourself from the worst people in history. You might not have the power to do the atrocities that they did, but your aspirations aren't that different in practice. You just have a different justification for why you think what you wish to happen is actually a good thing - just like these people did as well. You even admit that you don't really care whether they're actually bad people or not. Your criteria is "rich and executive position," which is quite indiscriminate.
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Trumps policies have killed many people.
The cholera epidemic in South Sudan worsened significantly after the Trump administration cut funding to the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), which had been providing critical medical support. These cuts led to the closure of clinics that were essential in treating cholera patients, resulting in increased mortality rates during the outbreak.
For example. We're not talking about someone who did something wrong, we're talking about a man who's at best indifferent to suffering and dying of people based on their skin color. This isn't some regular murderer or even assassin, this is wholesale killing.
Wanting someone who has the power to kill innocent people and does to die is a pretty natural response.
Trump is an individual. My criticism is about the blanket judgement of everyone rich and powerful.
They also deserve to be judged individually for their actions and decisions, not simply their financial status.
Even in that case, it’s not like he’s killing them. He just said we’re not going to try to save them.
I’m against pretty much everything that guy has ever said, and would have chosen to greatly expand USAID for all the lives it was saving and misery avoided ….. but there is a huge ethical distance between killing them and not going out of your way to save them. Wither way it helps if you’re a sociopath, but they are different
Venezuelan fishermen's families may disagree.
I suspect you are gaslighting or something here.
But this is pretty dumb logic you're presenting. Okay then, by your logic, Hitler didn't kill the jews during WW2. He just simply said he wanted them not to be in his country or anything. But he didn't kill them, he just sent them away and had other people do the killing for him.
You know better.
Misreading. I confess your post was too long and I didn’t read. I assumed you were talking about USAID, which I do believe is different.
Yes, not sending money to help others but s different from actively leading a country in a ways that causes massive deaths.
Sociopath either way but a direct cause of those deaths is different from not saving those other deaths
And believe me Im no supporter of the guy, quite the opposite. I just believe that not all of his actions are criminal. Unethical definitely and way too many are criminal and should be prosecuted
I'm not sure this is categorically true. If you are in a situation where another person is clearly and obviously killing everyone around you one after the other and you could stop them by killing them, I think most would argue it is morally ok to do so. Same for a situation of like a home invasion where someone means to do immediate harm to your family and loved ones. Murder in self defense is often considered morally ok. When people in the world through their actions are killing people in enormous numbers, it is not too hard to see how someone could make a parallel to self defense.
Sure, but that's a bit of a motte-and-bailey. It's like saying that one wishes death for all black people and when challenged they then retreat back to claiming that they were talking about just the ones who rape and murder.
My point is that wishing death for someone simply for being rich and in an executive position is barely different from wishing that to someone because they're black. It's unreasonable to be categorically against something purely based on superficial features. It's a thought-terminating cliché that ignores all nuance and reduces a diverse group of people into a stereotype.
I basically agree with this, with one important distinction worth mentioning that being black is not a willful choice, but having billions of dollars absolutely is. I would argue that if someone has so much money there is no possible way for them to spend it all in their and their progeny's lifetime, the only ethical thing to do is give the excess that can't be spent away.
In general, though, I understand not all ultra wealthy are equally bad, and those who just inherited their money and sit on it aren't anywhere near the level of those that actively influence policy for the negative. Yes there is nuance there, and yes stereotyping the whole group is reductive.
The general sentiment in OPs comment is usually rooted to in the notion that there is really no way to run a business that makes billions of dollars without underpaying or overcharging people along the way, and there is no way to justify having 100bn+ dollars all for yourself when there are so many people without. If that means those offences are extreme enough to justify murder is another question, and I agree should probably not apply categorically to all rich people equally with no deeper discussion.
the cognitive loop goes like this:
If I am not a mass murdered/pedophile/etc, and those are the worst people, and I wish death on them, then I am good.
It's basically shitty people trying to justify to themselves that they are 'good' by their dislike of 'bad' people, but taken to an extreme.
It's also the loop that causes mentally unwell people to justify violence. Because while killing is bad, if they do it to bad people, it must be good.
It's largely an exercise in ego-inflation and blame-shifting, like the 'I am shit, but someone else is shittier so I'm not that shitty' mentality that just entrenches negative behaviors. Further, there is no 'reason' to improve your life if the evil rich people stole your life from you, so your justified in wallowing in your misery and fantasy-projecting rather than... taking actionable steps towards improving your life.
I actually might be the rare ones that don't actually want them dead. Well I mean like I don't care if they're alive either, doesn't matter to me, just seize their assets above 999Mil, if they resist, it's tax evasion so jail them.
Distribute the wealth. Simple. I don't need to see bloodshed.
Killing them doesn't make a difference, their heirs will just take their place. I'm not gonna endorse killing entire families and expecially not their children who didn't chose to be born to nacissistic rich parents, its just generational trauma and atrocity, do they even have free will but to continue the path they've been on for their entire bloodlines? Do humans really have free will? Fix the system, don't just decapitate people. We don't need vengeful heirs trying to bring down the new system in order to "avenge their dead parents".
They would have you killed in a heartbeat if it meant they earned more money.
Don't kill them. Just make them poor and cut off their connections to their former caste.
This. I’d much rather see them suffer being poor for a while before learning they can be reasonably happy at the level most people are at, and using their seized assets to bring the poorest up to a livable level.
Yeah but, how likely is it that they'll ever see such a fate?
Next to zero. This is all just fantasizing.
So you think government execution of the elite is realistic?
So is killing them unless there's an actual revolution, and without years of laying the groundwork, you may be more unhappy with whomever seizes power.
That would be great, of course, but history tells us they either get away with it and die (sometimes) peacefully in their sleep or they're killed by a mob.
I like the way Stalin went. "Oh no, he fell down, call a doctor." Doctors (who had been relentlessly persecuted): "We're not treating him, bugger off." Stalin's cronies: "Whelp, we'll just put him to bed and see what happens."
And their nuts.
Death sentences are a slippery slope. Today its okay to kill the rich, tomorrow its protests that block roads, or LGBT people.
Even if we still to a hard line of "only the ultra rich", how rich is ultra rich? $1B networth? Sure. $10m net worth? Maybe. Anyone who earns more than you?
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I think it's more the line of "If this person dies, who will take their place?"
It's kind of a Hydra situation from the MCU. Killing one person won't do much. Everyone expects the next in line to keep doing the same thing.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
or worst.
its also like goauld situation sg1, as soon as they off one goauld a worst one takes thier place.
I don't.
Sure, there are many people that deserve it, and sure, there will always be the ability for someone to try to be a shitstain on humanity, but to pretend that the effort is futile is literally just ignorant defeatism.
You don't what?
Expect the next person in line to take the first's place. Eventually, the greedy cunts will figure out they're just stepping in line for the guillotine.
The top reason being that they don't like the idea of life being taken away.
Well then it sounds like you know the answer to your question. Are you actually asking to ask, or just to soapbox?
I just think that dying is unethical in general and represents a maximal state of suffering (well, more a minimum of non-suffering, since you have no capacity to experience anything when you dont exist anymore, not maximal suffering in the "hell" sense. I know many or most people would disagree with me on that point, but its not something I feel like spelling out my reasons for at the moment.) I also do not believe in the concept of deserved suffering (that is to say, in my view suffering as punishment only has value in its capacity to rewire a person's future behavior, and that once you have achieved that so as to cause them to live without continuing whatever harms have led to the punishment, anything more is wrong, no matter what they've done, even if they were literally the most heinous person of all time). If you're actually in a position to execute them, then youre in a position to take their money and power too, pointing out that they rarely face justice isnt actually relevant to this, because if your legal system is too corrupted to hand out a jail sentence and make it stick, its also going to be too corrupted to hand out a death sentence and go through with it. These people arent wealthy because they're inherently good at making money, they're wealthy because wealth begets wealth and they either started with some or lucked out somewhere or have relations that have it, so if you both take their wealth and the wealth of their friends and relatives, how are they going to get it back?
I don’t wish anyone to die as a rule.
Now at any rate [Gollum] is as bad as an Orc, and just an enemy. He deserves death.’
‘Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement.
--The Fellowship of the Ring
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Do not cut, do not let him cut.
Do not kill and do not be killed.
Teach him kindly and lead him to be a better man. Only if he will not be led, cut him down with a regretful stroke and send him to Buddha.
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Tbh the rich guy who owns the company I work for is the shit, absolutely love the dude.
It's the middle micromanagers that make my life a living hell, and they're a lot closer to me monetarily.
You Realize by definition the guy who owns the company's responsible for those middle micromanagers being there right?
I could snitch on them to the owner for every little thing, but if it isn't bad enough to get them fired outright, they know it was me who got them chewed out and I've painted a target on my back. More tact is necessary.
No you misunderstand, I'm saying they're the way that they are because he wants them that way. He can be cool because they're being shitty for him.
He doesn't really know that much about it tbh, he's a little removed from the situation. They're also admittedly not all easy to replace.
If the rich guy is so nice why don't you ask him to give you better mid managers?
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