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[–] mereo@piefed.ca 170 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

As a Canadian, I won't be travelling to the Republic of Gilead anytime soon. That country is becoming worse by the minute.

And since Americans think I'm Latino (I'm not), I don't want to be shipped to El Salvador.

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 144 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Uhhhh, it's more than their social media.

The new proposal would make it "mandatory" for ESTA applicants to provide US authorities with access to five years of their social media activity on platforms such as Instagram, TikTok and X.

Visitors will also be required to provide information on what US authorities dub "high-value data fields," meaning all of their phone numbers over the past five years and all of their e-mail addresses over the past 10. Moreover, they will be forced to provide personal details on family members as well as provide their own biometric data.

The proposal was published in the Federal Register on Tuesday, meaning that it will be open for public comment for 60 days, at which point it will become law unless challenged in court.

[–] rehydrate5503@lemmy.world 57 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Checks SimpleLogin account… 230 email aliases to date… gg, I might need a few more pages to note all of those.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 41 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Plus, how tf are they going to know if you're telling them about everything? This will just make people not visit.

[–] rehydrate5503@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

For real, there really is no way for them to know for sure.

Also, I just remembered Apple has throwaway emails built in now, nobody will think to list those. So do you just go to jail straight away if you miss listing one of those, because you lied on a federal form?

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 38 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So do you just go to jail straight away if you miss listing one of those, because you lied on a federal form?

Unfortunately, that probably depends on what color you are. They have taken a few whities, but that was probably just for show.

Our country isn't really safe to visit right now, please come back if/when we're better. Most Americans are sorry about this.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 36 points 2 days ago

What if you're not a 15-year-old girl and therefore don't have TikTok and Instagram are they going to arrest you? What a truly stupid country.

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[–] affenlehrer@feddit.org 107 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Been there twice, it was interesting and already shocking in 2008.

You US Americans should visit Europe or live there for a while. Then you can decide to come back or stay but you'll have at least a reference point in your brain that things can be different and maybe that the US isn't the greatest country in the world in all fields.

[–] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 44 points 2 days ago (4 children)

The US is a third-world country that failed upwards

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 44 points 2 days ago

My favourite description: "US is 50 third world countries in a trench coat".

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[–] massacre@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I dunno, and this sanity check is coming from someone who's visited over a dozen times and loves it there... EU is not all fun and games, they are going to enforce chat control, apparently bowing to pressure on GDPR, has enforced facial recognition to enter, and right wing parties are growing in multiple countries including the big economic houses: Germany, France, UK. We're all over here looking at you folks to show us the way and if you blink in your resolve, you're going to end up where we are.

On a positive note, Drumpf's policies are hitting a wall of awareness, resistance and resolve. Our recent elections are giving some hope. His pedophile protecting tight grip is loosening it's hold as his desperately unpopular and catastrophic policies are forcing "masks off" upping of their rhetoric and abusive policies. This shows their real racist nazi agenda to everyone and it's only dropping their approval. We're worried they will cook the books next November, but the hope is we can reign in the insanity and undo the damage in the coming decade. It's going to take that long and we will need to start with our dear friends in Canada).

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The EU is now talking about doing what the US was already doing more than a decade ago when Snowden Revelations came out.

And don't get me started on things like the relative ratios of "death by police" and percentage of people in prision (to mention just the things related to the use of force in policing) between America and Europe.

The EU is at least a decade behind the US in creeping autoritarianism and a lot of that shit has been imported from the US (including the new style far right, which amongst other things was set-up with money from American billionaires which Steve Bannon brought to Europe years ago very openly to "create far right parties" and is ideologically fed by American money using social media which for example paid Cambridge Analitica to use Facebook to fuel Brexit).

In this turn of the Wheel of History, the equivalent of Nazism is spreading out from America.

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[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 83 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oh, man. Anyone else remember how Republicans used to threaten to exercise their 2A rights in response to filling out a basic census report?

Yeah. I miss the days when those folks were considered the standard for "Conservative values". They were practically antifa back then.

[–] fonix232@fedia.io 45 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Turns out the guns were never about defending themselves against an authoritarian government.

[–] tty5@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago

Nothing makes them talk about gun control faster than minorities arming.

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[–] TimboSlice@discuss.online 74 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] desertdruid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

literally, I let my VISA expire and it was hard because I live on the frontier so I'll miss out on a lot of things but it is not worth it

last time I needed to cross the border I was detained for an extra hour (not counting the queue) just because I didn't cross during the pandemic

fuck the US, fuck fascism

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 51 points 2 days ago (2 children)

So does the US just want to totally kill its tourist industry because that seems to be the objective.

[–] GobberingGoblin@reddthat.com 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Unfortunatel I feel like most people will complain about this and visit anyway. I'd be very happy to be wrong about this though.

[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Only ignorant people. I had dreams of visiting and maybe doing a road trip, but under Trump I'm definitely not going there voluntarily. Even if my employer wants me to go there on business I'm refusing. I'd rather find another job than cross the US border.

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well, that's definitelly going to solve the fall in Tourism problem in the US /s

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 17 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Always wanted to see a modern country becoming dystopian though. Could be a big hit on tripadvisor. Once a beacon for freedom in the western world, the US decided it really liked how North Korea is treating its people and decided to do the same using its love affair with big tech psychos like Sam Altman and Elon Musk.

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[–] falseWhite@lemmy.world 43 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Is anyone really surprised by the further restrictions on the free speech by the fascist regime?

What surprises me is how much Americans are willing to take or how self-absorbed and blind they are as to what is happening.

First it was illegal immigrants. Then any immigrants. Now legal visitors, not even immigrants. Next it will be citizens, absolutely guaranteed.

They are already being targeted by the ICE and the government is working on plans to label citizens as domestic terrorists if they oppose the president.

But yeah, I'm sure using the ICE whistles and honking at the Nazi police as they abduct your family and friends is gonna solve the problem.

[–] candyman337@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (3 children)

it's so tiring to watch people just not realize the natural progression to all of this, like how can you not see it's gonna be YOU next in a few years when you post on facebook about how you're disappointed about supreme leader trump's tax policy and the secret police show up at your door

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[–] Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 day ago

My neighbors heads are firmly wedged all the way up their asses. These old fools act like everything is just fine because the boots aren't on their necks yet.

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[–] switcheroo@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Trying to isolate the country from what used to be our allies, then take away all our rights and turn this degrading shithole into North Korea where the citizens are law bound to kiss their "leaders" ass and pretend it doesn't fucking stink.

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[–] JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 42 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Visitors will also be required to provide information on what US authorities dub “high-value data fields,” meaning all of their phone numbers over the past five years and all of their e-mail addresses over the past 10. Moreover, they will be forced to provide personal details on family members as well as provide their own biometric data.

That's an entry ban for many people here. I do not know in which forums I posted some questions back in Dec 2020. I totally do not know the numbers of those prepaid sims I used while traveling 2016 till 2019. I used their mobile data and they have been in the trash for a decade. I also do not not every trash mail, mail redirect and mail service I have used since 2015. That must be hundreds of adresses.

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[–] Zomg@piefed.world 41 points 2 days ago (2 children)

So what happens when you truthfully state "I don't use social media"? Or use any that are mainstream?

Seems like a dumb time to me.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 day ago

Depends on the officer you're dealing with. There's multiple stories, from before Trump ever took office, of people being detained for up to a day for saying this or refusing to grant access to their phone. I can only imagine it's worse now.

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[–] kamen@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's amazing how much the US doesn't want you to go there, even if it's just to visit.

Despite all the mediocrity, there are some things to see there, but if that's the authorities' attitude (and this here is not the first example of it), yeah, I think I'll skip.

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[–] NotJohnSmith@feddit.uk 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 days ago (4 children)

People born in the 90s:

At age 10: I want to move to USA to live there!

At age 30: Traveling to USA seems to be too dangerous. I'll pass.

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[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People, PLEASE stop coming to America. The government doesn’t want you here. Also, it’s not safe at all.

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[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)

yeah, because tourism is doing so well now, we need more reasons to fuck over the industry

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[–] ViscloReader@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago

One of my relative was stuck in us borders because he didn't have social media pages to his name so they thought he was a terrorist.

This was in 2021 I believe.

This made me scared to go even before the orange man came back.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I am surprised the tourism industry is taking this so well. I mean Trump and company are literally doing anything they can to kill it off.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 25 points 21 hours ago (11 children)

Ok, idea, The rest of the world demands access to 5 years of US citizens social media to enter their countries. Deny Nazi/Fash/Maga from leaving the US.

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[–] count_dongulus@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (7 children)

"I don't use social media, and I don't have an email."

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If this shit passes, the EU should apply the same rule and when we find a fucking MAGAt, stamp "Entry Denied and Fuck Off!"

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[–] harmbugler@piefed.social 21 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I decided to never return to the US after they brought in mandatory fingerprinting. It's progressed so much further now. Land of the free*

[–] Embargo@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 days ago

Land of the free was written before slavery was abolished. It's never been a free country.

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[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 20 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Don't worry about it! The Democrats will oppose this and get it kicked out for being un American. And if they don't succeed then all you have to do is wait until they get back into office and they'll executive order it straight outta town in an instant.....

Right?

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[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] kazerniel@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (11 children)

reason #2 why I would never visit that country

(#1 is the mass shootings and gun mania)

(tbh the only thing I'd want to visit to begin with are the giant sequoia in California)

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[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

lol the World Cup is gonna be yuge success bigly

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago

US doesn't understand why nobody wants to visit their shit hole Country anymore

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