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MAGA’s mission to meddle in European politics should terrify Starmer, Macron and Merz. Will any of them fight back?

Donald Trump has launched a crusade to convert European politics to his cause, mobilizing the full force of American diplomacy to promote “patriotic” parties, stamp on migration, destroy “censorship” and save “civilization” from decay.

The question is whether Europe’s embattled centrists have the power, or the will, to stop him. In its newly released National Security Strategy document, the White House set out for the first time in a comprehensive form its approach to the geopolitical challenges facing the U.S. and the world.

While bringing peace to Ukraine gets a mention, when it comes to Europe, America’s official stance is now that its security depends on shifting the continent’s politics decisively to the right.

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 153 points 12 hours ago (7 children)

Why do people still use Twitter?

[–] MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world 31 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

It drives me insane. Most of the top so called leftists are fully addicted to it and treat it like it’s an essential medium.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 9 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

To an extent. In a know your enemies sense it's useful. In a useful communication sense it's becoming more and more ineffective. There's software that will post to both twitter and mastodon. If your audience is on twitter but you make no effort to change that. Then you support it to your own determent. Part of it is a publicity thing.

More need to be like hey, if you follow me but want less fascism popping up in your feed. You can now follow on mastodon etc. If enough people did that, we'd see some changes. Probably banning mention of mastodon on twitter. But still better than passive inertia.

Edit And hello again.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 22 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The EU were being hypocritical just having an ad account with Twitter.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 17 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I love how when I point out it's owned by a nazi, people rush in to defend their use of twitter and most usually it's some form of "it's the best for what it is/it has a huge user base" and me responding with a picture of musk doing the ol' Hitler Salute saying "okay but you're supporting this guy, and if you sit at a table with 10 nazis..." usually results in being blocked, people simply ignoring me, or saying something dismissive.

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Most people don't want to actually change anything. They want everyone else to change things, and keep living their happy little lives.

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[–] village604@adultswim.fan 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Because people still use twitter, and other people go to where people are.

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[–] obinice@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

Where else are Nazis supposed to hang out?

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[–] MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world 131 points 10 hours ago (9 children)

If you hate Musk…stop using fucking twitter. Nothing grinds my gears more than all these leftists who are still fully addicted.

[–] cv_octavio@piefed.ca 39 points 9 hours ago

Especially when "just not using it" requires no effort and is literally one if the healthiest things you could do for yourself. Hard to sympathize with anyone grousing so hard while still mainlining the thing they're grousing about.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 24 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

Every time I said this, I get downvoted.

People on here get really weird about and start downvoting and insulting people who call it X, because they refuse to accept the stupid new name... What are you clinging on to? Twitter is DEAD.

Yes, the new name, X is stupid. It's now the Nazi platform X, accept that and stop using the Nazi platform. Your line in the sand is way further back than it should be, you can't keep using the platform and insist you're giving the finger to Elon by calling it Twitter.

Stop using Twitter, accept that Twitter is dead. Stop using the Nazi platform.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

I've gotten pushback from places I really wouldn't have imagined for saying that we all need to kill our social media, starting with Twitter.

I do not care if you keep a facebook account open just to talk to your dear aunt Ethel over the holidays but PLEASE, Lemmy lefties... speaking directly at you right now.

DO NOT KEEP USING TWITTER.

When you use twitter you generate views for other things, those views translate into monetary rewards for people in other countries who have been paid to destabilize your country. You are not saving anyone, you're not helping anyone. It's a half-dead platform that empowers some of the worst people in the world.

"But people use it in other countries to organize resistance and several other excuses that make me sound addicted!"

I do not care. They have other means. You're not a revolutionary. Just put it away and spend that scrolling time walking and meeting people and reading about local progressive candidates in your area you can back and support and actually make a fucking difference instead of trying to get your twitter arguments clipped and shared on reddit.

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[–] SailorFuzz@lemmy.world 11 points 9 hours ago

Do I get bonus cred for having never used it? I don't use X, or Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok, whateverthefuck.

I have a Lemmy and Youtube... and before you get all "why not peertube???" because peertube sucks. Sorry, someone has to say it, it's not there yet, content is subpar.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 11 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Yea I have no clue why people still use the damn platform. Especially those who hate musk and what bullshit that comes from his mouth...like gtfo the platform, all you're doing is keeping his revenue going.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago

“Why is the world this way?” says the blue checkmark Tweeter clutching their phone.

Though to be fair, many are more disingenuous cash farming influencers.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago

Or better yet, if you're a government: stop using it yourself and destroy it for being unlawful.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago (6 children)

if any leftists is in the nazi platform, they aren't leftists.

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[–] _Nico198X_@europe.pub 92 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

please just ban this shit already. please. i'm so tired.

[–] ferrule@sh.itjust.works 52 points 12 hours ago (9 children)

just think if the EU banned twitter, facebook, instagram, and the rest. the world might instantly get a little smarter.

[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Banning USian social media services doesn't stop people from wanting sites like these, nor does it protect you or your community from the impacts that these services have on the rest of the world that will unfortunately affect you.

Like why exactly do people even want to be a part of these panopticons when the negative consequences are so severe? Because I think that people mostly do understand that they are sacrificing their privacy and autonomy to these platforms, but how can we get people to understand the seriousness of these sacrifices?

Not a defense of USian social media websites BTW. I think we should burn these sites to the fucking ground. But while they're active, I don't see how banning your community from interacting with and monitoring them is a good idea.

[–] ferrule@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

i agree the need will be there but banning the ones that exist by coming up with good laws is the point.

force them to verify all political claims. All ads need to have very apparent sources of funding. don't let legal entities funnel money to pay for anything. not difficult.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

So the US just released a foreign policy document that says that the emergence of nationalist parties across Europe is cause for hope and to be supported in order to help Europe realign with the US.

That's a plan for undermining the governments of the EU and instigating regime change. US social media is their tool of choice. It needs to be shut down. Yes, people might clamour for an alternative, but they can have them. They just need to not be controlled by the US oligarchy.

Edit: literally the next article in my feed

[–] HaiZhung@feddit.org 2 points 8 hours ago

Yeah but it’s not like it’s physically impossible to build an alternative. If the one monopolizing the network effect is gone, alternatives will pop up ~immediately.

Look at china or Russia (ironically), who blocked google. They have a real alternative by now (baidu, yandex).

We could do the same thing easily in the EU.

[–] _Nico198X_@europe.pub 5 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

totally agree. no one is owed to operate here and spread malicious propaganda and ignorance to the masses.

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[–] not_me@piefed.social 33 points 13 hours ago

Drop dead musk

[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 25 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Everything is better with less Musk

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 7 points 9 hours ago

Nah unh! The surface of the sun is better with all of Elon Musk.

[–] IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 20 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

European comission has their own mastodon server at ec.social-network.europa.eu. Why in the fuck they're still advertising/doing anything on twitter?

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 22 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Because a lot more people are still using Twitter than have started using mastodon

[–] Foni@lemmy.zip 13 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

If all European politicians moved to mastodon, they would drag a bunch of journalists and media behind them. On Twitter, only four insignificant influencers and far-right spammers would remain; all serious debate would shift immediately.

[–] Phineaz@feddit.org 3 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

And one party might remain on twitter and have a tremendous advantage in reach over all others.

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[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The EC absolutely has the marketing budget to change that though.

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 3 points 10 hours ago

By getting the word out in X about their mastodon link?

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[–] Beryl@jlai.lu 19 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Seems Musk is trying to challenge Trump for that pettiest man alive title.

I hope this serves as the final push to have all official EU accounts move to, say Mastodon. Every institution still using this fascist hellhole of a social network helps legitimizing it. It's high time they find another outlet, ideally a FOSS and decentralized one.

[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 14 points 12 hours ago

I thought at one time he was trying to sue people who wouldn't advertise on his platform.

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 hours ago

Good maybe they'll use something other than Twitter.

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 hours ago

Aw, did poor little insecure muffin get his butt hurt?

[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 hours ago

Why would the EU place ads for fascists anyway?

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

“Your ad account has been terminated,” X’s head of product, Nikita Bier, wrote on the platform early Sunday.

Bier accused the EU executive of trying to amplify its own social media post about the fine on X by trying “to take advantage of an exploit in our Ad Composer — to post a link that deceives users into thinking it's a video and to artificially increase its reach.”

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 3 points 58 minutes ago

Great, so now any ad from the EC we know is either a scam or propaganda.

Makes it quite obvious.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 50 minutes ago

Cool, then fuckjng get some balls and block Twitter altogether.

See how quickly they rolled over when Brazil blocked them and they realized everyone was moving to Threads, Bluesky, and Mastodon, giving lots of other people the same idea.

[–] jlow@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Well, are they on the fediverse?

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

No, even closed their mastodon accounts

[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 17 minutes ago (1 children)

Who tf still fucking uses Twitter?

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