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[–] ferrule@sh.itjust.works 60 points 1 day ago (3 children)

just think if the EU banned twitter, facebook, instagram, and the rest. the world might instantly get a little smarter.

[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Banning USian social media services doesn't stop people from wanting sites like these, nor does it protect you or your community from the impacts that these services have on the rest of the world that will unfortunately affect you.

Like why exactly do people even want to be a part of these panopticons when the negative consequences are so severe? Because I think that people mostly do understand that they are sacrificing their privacy and autonomy to these platforms, but how can we get people to understand the seriousness of these sacrifices?

Not a defense of USian social media websites BTW. I think we should burn these sites to the fucking ground. But while they're active, I don't see how banning your community from interacting with and monitoring them is a good idea.

[–] ferrule@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

i agree the need will be there but banning the ones that exist by coming up with good laws is the point.

force them to verify all political claims. All ads need to have very apparent sources of funding. don't let legal entities funnel money to pay for anything. not difficult.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

So the US just released a foreign policy document that says that the emergence of nationalist parties across Europe is cause for hope and to be supported in order to help Europe realign with the US.

That's a plan for undermining the governments of the EU and instigating regime change. US social media is their tool of choice. It needs to be shut down. Yes, people might clamour for an alternative, but they can have them. They just need to not be controlled by the US oligarchy.

Edit: literally the next article in my feed

[–] HaiZhung@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah but it’s not like it’s physically impossible to build an alternative. If the one monopolizing the network effect is gone, alternatives will pop up ~immediately.

Look at china or Russia (ironically), who blocked google. They have a real alternative by now (baidu, yandex).

We could do the same thing easily in the EU.

[–] _Nico198X_@europe.pub 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

totally agree. no one is owed to operate here and spread malicious propaganda and ignorance to the masses.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Replaced by knock off versions and nothing is solved.

[–] ferrule@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

you ban them by making good laws that make why they are shit illegal. it's really not that hard. force them to have validation of political claims. if they don't then shut them down. not difficult.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Then it's not a ban, it's a law. Which they'll likely follow so that they have at least some level of business

[–] ferrule@sh.itjust.works 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

if the law makes their business not viable it's a ban. and if all they can do is show ads and not allow people to post BS then they will go away.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

A law is a law, a ban is a ban. JFC.

And no they won't go away if all they can do is post ads JFC.

[–] ferrule@sh.itjust.works 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

How the fuck do you think a ban happens?

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

JFC I have to be more specific? A law that defines allowable products is a law. A ban is a ban. If you want to ban a COMPANY that's a ban on the COMPANY. not a LAW that defines allowable products.

Do you seriously think a company that has to adjust something just throws their arms up and says "Oh I guess we're banned"? When the EU required USB-C ports did Apple just say "fuck I guess we're banned, we'll withdraw from the EU and lose all that revenue" or did they just put in a USB-C port. JFC. That law did not ban Apple the COMPANY.

JFC I'm leaving this conversation.

[–] ferrule@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 hours ago

There is no such thing as a ban you idiot. You can companies by passing laws.

[–] ahornsirup@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Replaced by European knock-offs that are subject to European law. That'd be a big step forward if you ask me.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

European operations are already subject to European laws.

[–] ahornsirup@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Only on paper. They can effectively do what they want unless they have physical offices in Europe or are willing/able to pay the fines.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Uh no that's not how it works. Classic Lemmy.