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Sony believed that they had so much market share that they could make a console that was leaps and bounds more complicated to code for, which would lock devs in and prevent them from going elsewhere, and they’d just have to suck it up because of said market share. Sony was wrong, and they lost out big time that generation (although they did manage to win the Blu-ray vs hd-dvd format wars).

Microsoft seems to believe they have so much market share that they can force people to upgrade to a privacy invading, ai infested piece of crap, and that everyone needs to suck it up because market share.

I’ve already started hearing wind that people, in statistically significant numbers, are finding alternatives… so is this the same situation as the ps3?

Just a passing musing without much to back up the gut feelings.

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[–] Godort@lemmy.ca 147 points 1 day ago (14 children)

Microsoft is bleeding power users and PC enthusiasts at an unprecedented rate. This is a great thing for Linux, but they are still absolutely locked into the corporate world and that's where the money is.

The reality is that Microsoft solved management of corporate policy and identity like 25 years ago and nothing else has come close. It has its problems, but Active Directory is an incredible piece of software. The combination of LDAP, with obfuscation of Kerberos to the point where you don't even need to know it exists, combined with policy deployment to endpoints is nothing short of a miracle.

Linux has tools for all those things, but none are easy to deploy or configure. If you have to manage thousands of desktops, Windows is still the clear choice

[–] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 69 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If you are a large corporation or government, you'd have the resources to do exactly that. I keep hearing about European governments moving to Linux. And why wouldn't you? Screw perpetual licensing.

[–] Godort@lemmy.ca 69 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What those EU governments are doing is out of interest for national security rather than hate for licensing. The US has changed drastically in the last decade and getting your sensitive data out of their infrastructure is a top priority.

The cost of change from Windows to Linux is pretty small for an individual. Most people have one or two machines and a handful of programs, none of which are critical to your continued existence.

In the corporate world, you need to be absolutely sure that everything will work flawlessly, which often means weeks or months of testing on top of all your regular IT duties, constant support tickets to obscure software vendors who may not have ever worked with Linux, and if some mission-critical piece of software breaks, then the company cannot operate until it is fixed...or you can continue to use Windows, even though it sucks more now.

I want Linux to have wider adoption in the desktop space, but it's a catch 22. People aren't going to move unless the software is guaranteed to work, and Linux-based software isn't going to be made unless people are using it. This is why Proton was such a big deal. It offered a real option for gaming to move to the platform and now it's viable and devs are starting to take linux into account.

[–] jrs100000@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Its not a guarantee of flawless operation thats required, its a source of liability if something goes wrong. Someone has to be responsible if the latest update blows everything up.

[–] kambusha@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

Now where did I place that consultant..

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[–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You keep hearing about the same 3 german states moving to LibreOffice. That's not quite the same thing.

[–] 9bananas@feddit.org 7 points 1 day ago

generally, yes, but it's a couple more now;

  • Austria's military is moving to open source
  • couple of french cities (was is lyon?)
  • i think denmark?
  • pretty sure there's a couple others

point being: it's a clear trend!

it's slow, yes, but it seems to be picking up steam!

the idea is being seriously discussed at basically all state institutions.

and more importantly: the reason for this trend is clearly data security. which states actually care about. so there's a very clear and easy to understand incentive, which makes it politically palatable.

we'll have to see, but the trend seems to be heading in the right direction!

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Novell solved directory services 25 years ago. It took MS 10 to catch up.

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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I present to you a wild notion:

Adobe OS.

They have the market value and revenue to do what steam is doing.

They could make switching a cost save if the OS integrates vertically with the creative cloud.

To be clear, I don't want this and would t use it. But any business with licenses would say "wait... Ditch Microsoft ios, and... Poof? Everything works and we pay way less money?"

All that Microsoft provides any business at this point is AD/Azure.

I feel like Microsoft is taking massive Ls between now and 2030. I don't think Adobe is gonna do this, I'm just saying if they did, it could work. Microsoft is a weak giant right now.

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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 95 points 1 day ago (17 children)

When recently onboarding for a new job I heard something I never thought I would hear in my life.

Everyone was given a Mac. Eng, design, finance, HR. Everyone. In my onboarding cohort, someone in finance asked if they could have a Windows PC, which has been the backbone of finance orgs for decades. IT said no. They just didn’t want to deal with Microsoft’s enterprise ecosystem.

[–] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 day ago (3 children)

That's nice to see actually. Regular consumers like us don't have any pull, but businesses do. So I hope more start seeing Microsoft problematic enough to start shifting away to MacOS to get Microsoft to reassess their decisions.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't know if Apple's shenanigans are much better with how they're trying to lock it down

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 17 hours ago

Trying? Have you used a recent version of MacOS?

Shit is locked down as tight as they can get without preventing the ability to be used for development.

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[–] Funwayguy@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

I got the same treatment recently. All tech departments were issued M4 Mac Book Pros because that was more cost effective than than dealing with the non-compliant fuckery of W11. Unfortunately non-tech departments got the old inventory and are suffering the abhorrent instability of W11. It somehow refuses to play nice with just about everything in our corporate ecosystem.

[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago (3 children)

But macOS is even more locked down than windows?

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

They specifically mentioned the enterprise ecosystem.

I would not be surprised at all if Apple's MDM system is less painful to use for smaller businesses than Microsoft's AD and everything attached to it. Hell it might even be nicer for big orgs, but I've never heard of one (apart from the likes of Google) not using AD

Also if you're already dealing with one of those systems, an IT department is probably motivated to not run both and set up interop if they can avoid it

[–] Rumbelows@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Used to work for Apple in B2B sales.

Granted, this was five years ago, but back then it was sort of the other way round. The deployment at SMB scale worked really well and was also free of charge.

AT enterprise you would need a third-party solution typically, something like JAMF.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Locked down would probably be a plus for enterprise.

But honestly I've never got that argument. In what way is macOS more locked down than Windows? In the hardware that it will run on yes. But for the average user it seems fairly similar on the being "locked down" front.

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 8 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

As someone who went through this, I would honestly take Window 11's bs over pos unusable mac.

First time ever I think I felt pain in my wrist from using a trackpad. Absolute clownshow of a UX

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Interesting. I’ve got of gripes with Apple hardware (price, upgradability, silly things like notches and Touch Bars,) but trackpads has never been one of them. I’ve always thought the’ve had some of the best trackpads.

What trackpad do you prefer and why?

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[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When I started at my current job, every new hire was given the choice of a MacBook or Linux laptop. I only encountered one person who chose the former and he only chose that because he thought it'd be funny to use Windows on a MacBook in his professional environment. (We were allowed to do pretty much whatever with our laptops so long as we could fulfill our work duties. My then manager replaced Ubuntu, with which we were provided, with Arch on his laptop.)

Two or so years later, the IT department said that they didn't really know how to maintain security compliance on Linux, but they did know JAMF. Thus, they took away our customizable Linux laptops and foisted MacBooks on all of us. I'm pretty sure even the Windows guy lost that, but he was an exec so it probably took longer.

I still remember when they announced that this would happen. They said it without a timeline in the company-wide group chat and someone I respected previously and respected more afterwards said "so when are you taking away our good laptops?"

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[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 68 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Lets not forget too that Sony ever only started making video games at all because Nintendo thought they had such strong market share that they could bully Phillips AND Sony. Phillips ended up being a little bitch, and didn't do anything noteworthy. But Sony? Sony bent Nintendo over a barrel, and took their lunch money.

And then waited 10 years to make the same exact mistake.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 59 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Every once in a while, Microsoft makes fundamental mistakes which they only survive because of their size. Think Microsoft Bob or Windows 8. Looks like Windows 11 is heading in the same direction.

At least we can all agree that Tay was an AI revolutionary way ahead of "her" time. /s

[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

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That's where it's heading. Because why would I use software I don't trust at home? New entrepreneurs will be using Linux because it doesn't sell their data.

[–] f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 day ago

I still have the "Intel Celeron Inside" and "Ready for Windows Vista" stickers on my physical trash can at work.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I don't think Sony intentionally screwed up PS2s to sell more PS3s though so it's not an equal comparison.

[–] BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 10 points 22 hours ago

they screwed up not making ps3s have ps2 backwards compatability outside the first lot of them released. its what ultimately caused me to be an xbox fan because for christmas my dad was gonna get the family a ps3 but when he found out they were no longer backward compatable with ps2 games he got us an xbox 360 instead

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 day ago (5 children)

they did manage to win the Blu-ray vs hd-dvd format wars

They didn't win them: they bought them. Blu-ray won via payola more than popularity or technical superiority. HDDVD has way better error correction and thus longevity, but you can see why corpos wouldn't want that at the peak of the planned obsolescence / e-waste years.

[–] scutiger@lemmy.world 9 points 20 hours ago

The PS3 including a BD drive certainly played a part though.

MS tried to push HD-DVD but required a separate device to use it on 360.

It feels like that was the generation of poor console decisions.

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[–] IWW4@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It wouldn’t be the first time a Microsoft OS was a total disaster.

Usually Microsoft releases new versions quickly enough to leap-frog each other, though. Windows 98 was still supported when Windows XP was released, so nobody really needed to use WinME. The same thing happened with Windows Vista and 8. People could always just skip over the especially-shitty versions and wait for the next, not-quite-as-shitty version to come out before upgrading. They can't do that with Windows 11, though.

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago (11 children)

It does more or less follow the age-old Microsoft pattern: One disaster OS, followed by one improved OS people mostly enjoy.

Only problem for them is that this time there's actually way more viable OS options for average people to turn to, and they've simultaneously leaned heavily into surveillance capitalism, monitoring, and AI when all of those things are broadly unwelcome. Its a recipe for a big loss in market share, and I can't say I don't love that for them.

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[–] KiwiTB@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)
  1. Sony won that generation.
  2. The games are still being made for Windows. The time it takes to lose that whole platform would allow them plenty of time to correct their path.
  3. Microsoft are crooked AF.... They've been keeping their monopoly status for over 30 years. They won't let that change.
[–] Iunnrais@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Sony objectively did not win that generation. The Nintendo wii did— some gamers don’t want to include the Wii in the running at all, but it was there and it won approximately 101 million to maybe 88 million.

Now, the ps3 made a remarkable comeback and eventually caught back up with the Xbox 360, tying or slightly exceeding it in sales in the very end, but that’s not winning. That’s especially not winning compared to the PS2 generation, where there was absolutely no contest that it won— there wasn’t even a serious rival to the ps2 at the time. It dominated. The ps3 barely squeaking out a second place trophy against a CLOSE third place, when it trailed far behind at first, is not winning the generation. It’s just not.

Sony lost the absolute monolithic dominance they had in the ps2 era. That’s the situation I’m comparing now. Maybe this windows 11 situation won’t echo the past, but it’s a question I’m musing on in the shower.

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[–] voicesarefree@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

Switched my home PC to Linux (Manjaro) over a year ago and had little issue getting it to run what I want. Steam works great these days. Wine has come a long way but I don’t end up using it.. though might try to run Foobar now that I think of it.

I hear the fleet management argument though. I got a MacBook at work because I couldn’t stand windows 11 and it’s claim on all virtualization (have to disable security features to get VMs access to hardware virtualization), and I don’t envy our IT department having to deal with Jamf.

[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

No way, unlike Windows 11, the PS3 was actually quite a good product.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 16 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Every other version of windows flops or sucks. 98 SE, good. 2k/ME, No. XP, great. Vista,no. 7, great. 8, No.

10…probably the last good Windows unless M$oft unfucks itself and makes 12 good. But I doubt it.

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[–] y0kai@anarchist.nexus 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

one can hope, but I think it's a long shot. Most of my normie friends aren't going to switch even if microsoft assigned a live person to sit next to them and monitor their usage. "it needs to just work, and i know how to use it" they say (or something along those lines).

[–] warm@kbin.earth 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Its because its used in schools, they learn it, they become reliant on it, its in their workplaces, at their home.

Its why Microsoft dont really care if you pirate Windows, the more people using it, the more reliant they are on it, then they cash in big time at the enterprise level. Same with Photoshop etc etc.

If we taught how to use Linux instead...

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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (6 children)

While I run Linux on a desktop, I've always owned a Windows laptop. I decided last week that instead of ever running Windows 11, I'm going to buy a Macbook and dual boot it with Linux. Yes I know I can run Linux on any number of PC hardware laptops, there are occasionally windows only utilities needed to run firmware or some other proprieatry application. If I can know I can always fall back to OSX for system updates and running proprietary commercial software, I'll know I never need to touch Windows 11.

May when Microsoft realizes Windows 11 is Vista 2.0, Windows 12 may be great. With Linux and OSX, I don't see myself coming back to Windows even then though.

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[–] SoyTDI@lemmy.world 14 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

And then Microsoft made the same mistake with Xbox One+Kinect.

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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 11 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Maybe for home computing which isn't their priority. They've always had their bread buttered by corporate business

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[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 9 points 13 hours ago

And honestly you're not hearing that people in broad swath of numbers are replacing Windows you're hearing in a very echo chamber like here or Reddit or possibly dig that people are replacing windows it's still a small number statistically and while it's slightly growing it's still not enough that's going to matter to Microsoft even in the least bit. The average person is not going to know what to do and the average person is not going to understand or even know that there's an alternative besides macintosh. Nor are they going to attempt to install an alternative version of an operating system. I mean hell I couldn't even convince my dad to buy a $200 laptop over the $900 gaming PC for the 40 minutes of work he does on computers a week. Some people just are going to do what they do out of habit and not even care.

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago

I think it's more comparable to say the same kind of mistake that Microsoft made with the Xbox One. Sold at a $100 premium over the playstation 4 because Microsoft assumed that everyone would love to get a bundled Kinect when actually nobody did.

Also when they announced the stupid DRM that they wanted to use on the Xbox One (console must be always online to work, games on disk to become single use gift cards that get redeemed to a Microsoft account and can't be used on a different console) Probably Sony won the console war with this single 20 second video even if Microsoft backtracked immediately: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA

With windows 11 Microsoft is doing similar mistakes:

  • With x86 processors, assuming that everyone has the money to buy a new computer even if their old one could work perfectly for what they need. Last week I went to visit an elementary school in my country and at the wall in the computer room they still had a poster comparing Netscape and Internet Explorer. They definitely don't have the funds to throw and buy again 30 computers. Time for Linux to shine?
  • With arm processors, making it an exclusive for the expensive snapdragon x. Result: those laptops cost even more than comparable x86 ones, while could be cheaper. Look at the recently launched Minisforum R1. A full desktop computer with 32gb RAM and an ARM CPU that is comparable to a core i5-10400F while costing only $500. But because Microsoft chose to support only the most expensive snapdragon processors, this brand new computers can exclusively run Linux. Time for Linux to shine?
[–] AyD@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

That must of been a long shower thinking about this

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