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[–] PanaX@lemmy.world 236 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

Based on that logic, ammunition and arms manufacturers should be held liable for damages as well.

[–] compostgoblin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 130 points 19 hours ago

Yes, but that would mean that logic has any bearing on what the Supreme Court decides to do

[–] ryper@lemmy.ca 29 points 19 hours ago

The US has a law to limit the liability of gun manufacturers.

The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) is a U.S law, passed in 2005, that protects firearms manufacturers and dealers from being held liable when crimes have been committed with their products. Both arms manufacturers and dealers can still be held liable for damages resulting from defective products, breach of contract, criminal misconduct, and other actions for which they are directly responsible. However, they may be held liable for negligent entrustment if it is found that they had reason to believe a firearm was intended for use in a crime.

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 17 points 18 hours ago

More like, if you steal something you are banned from using roads and sidewalks and doors.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 197 points 20 hours ago (13 children)

I'm not a judge, but isn't internet essentially a utility these days? Cutting someone off because of piracy seems like cutting off electricity or water because they did something illegal with it.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 124 points 20 hours ago

This would be the case had net neutrality not been killed off nearly a decade ago

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 119 points 18 hours ago

Not even piracy. Accusations thereof.

[–] ryper@lemmy.ca 83 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure this supreme court would rule that people don't have a right to electricity, or even water. They'll probably be totally ok with people losing internet access as punishment for crossing media owners.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 18 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

or even water

Already did.

We never stopped the “lol treaties with Native American tribes don’t count” bullshit.

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[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 57 points 20 hours ago

Pragmatically, yes. Legally, no. Progressives have been fighting for years to get internet classified as a utility in the US, and regressives and (ironically) internet companies have been fighting against that effort at every turn in the name of profit.

And now look how well that's turned out. Gee, if only some people had warned them that deregulation was a monkey's paw...

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 35 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

They could even be totally innocent, the mere accusation is enough, wtf?

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 23 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

USCIS can deport a non-citizen for accusations of drug use, including weed.

Let that sink in.

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[–] SillyDude@lemmy.zip 24 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Inb4 palantir cuts off your electric and water because you had 15% eye distraction during the mandatory 3hr nightly fox news viewing.

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[–] A7thStone@lemmy.world 14 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

I'm some places in the States they will cut off your electricity or water for sharing with a neighbor that has had theirs shut off. I have seen both happen personally, and not in some back water state. They both happened in upstate NY.

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[–] flandish@lemmy.world 13 points 6 hours ago

accused piracy, too. Not proven. Not convicted. Just “pirate go bye bye.”

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[–] DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 109 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

If it's upheld, that's the precursor to full-blown info blackouts, just cut off internet to anyone 'accused' of wrongspeak against the powers that be, which is basically everyone.

This also sounds like SOPA reborn.

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[–] AGuyAcrossTheInternet@fedia.io 96 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not doing piracy, I am merely training my AI!

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 19 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

The recent judgement did not, in fact, say that pirating was legal if you use the pirated material to train AI.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 23 points 17 hours ago

Call me when all these LLM get their internet cut off then.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 81 points 20 hours ago

I nominate we test with out with the Zuck and his networks.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 79 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Accused???

Well alrighty then, I hereby accuse the operators of donaldjtrump.com of piracy! Anybody else notice any piratical activity? Foxnews.com seems pretty fishy.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 28 points 9 hours ago (3 children)
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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 71 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Being accused of will lose you access to basic infrastructure? Why not cut electricity too?

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 27 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Don't give them ideas. Next they'll cut the blood stream to your brain.

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[–] Brotha_Jaufrey@lemmy.world 70 points 18 hours ago

This still won’t make me pay for Netflix

[–] sturlabragason@lemmy.world 65 points 20 hours ago (1 children)
[–] PeachMan@lemmy.world 20 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

Protip for anyone unfamiliar: Mullvad really is the gold standard for a private VPN. If you just want to pirate shit and not get angry letters from your ISP, Nord or PIA will accomplish that. But if you REALLY want privacy, Mullvad is it.

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[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 51 points 12 hours ago (5 children)

So if Meta is convicted of pirating books for AI training, they lose all internet connectivity? 🧐

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[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 50 points 16 hours ago (7 children)

And now I'm on a VPN because if they're just gonna cut people off for accusing of piracy they're gonna have to cut off everyone with a VPN.

TBH I should have been behind a VPN before

[–] Tower@lemmy.zip 22 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Mullvad is the best $5 and change I spend each month.

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 16 points 14 hours ago (9 children)

I love Mullvad and used them for years, but without port forwarding, they're not the service you want for torrenting. Some alternatives like AirVPN or ProtonVPN are better suited for that stuff.

Before the haters jump in and tell me "it works fine fer me!" it's only working because the user on the other end, like myself, have port forwarding set up. Since you don't have it, you'll never connect to anyone else like yourself nor will they be able to connect to you.

Of course there are alternatives like streaming and Usenet but there are tradeoffs no matter what you pick.

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[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 46 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

The mere accusation causing someone to lose the Internet, which is vital to modern life, would be insane.

Additionally, it would do little to nothing to stop piracy.

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 27 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

they actually do think that if you stop piracy people will flock back to streaming services when in reality all that will happen is i'll just watch more twitch.

[–] Sickday@kbin.earth 11 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

i'd just go to a local fast food resturant and bring my portable piracy machine

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[–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 45 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Pirate everything, death to the capitalists.

[–] peteyestee@feddit.org 24 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Get to the point that you don't want their products. Consuming their stuff at all is like sporting brand name cloths and covering the logo.

Once you do this you will find you don't need most of it and it's just a waste of time anyway. The stuff that is authentic and that you genuinely need you can support.

It's honestly like quitting drugs.

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 41 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

I'm not doing piracy, I'm just trading a lot of data packets with a Proton Server in Switzerland, nothing to see here 😉

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The unproven claims is the key part here. Also the point of "terminating an account would punish every user in a household" is important as well.

You can fine someone for piracy if you want. As long as they have the standard legal protections. But cutting access is excessive.

[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 31 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

In the beginning we used to exchange cassettes. You would have a boombox with two cassettes. You would play one while you recorded on the other. Then you gave the cassette back to your friend. Next was the VCR with the big ass cassettes.

Then you would do the same with floppies, then zip disks. Then one day CD recording was a thing, then DVDs. Then thumb drives and now portable HDDs. Basically the cheapest form or recording is always the most popular way for people to share stuff.

The only ones who don't want us to share are those who want to make millions by never innovating.

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[–] Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works 30 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

(Donald trump voice) "We should hold all food companys liable for users violent crimes, this man stabbed another man to death with a spoon! 30 minutes before he ate kraft mac and cheese. It gave him the energy to violently stab this innocent man"

Lets hope they got common sense

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[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 24 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

This is how you get a new darknet.

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[–] Sickday@kbin.earth 24 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

What will they do when entire College campuses lose internet access because half their students are pirating text books

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[–] catty@lemmy.world 20 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

lol, they'll have no customers! ISPs used to send 'warning' letters to customers in England but that's all.

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[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 17 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Just do what we do in Canada. Send them threatening letters. It scares 90% of parents into telling their kids to knock that shit off, but they're toothless and can't actually do anything, and the remaining 10% still pirate away. Everyone's happy.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

ISPs already do that here in the states. The court case is to decide whether they should shut off access.

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[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 15 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

What about legitimate torrented content? Are they going to outlaw the technology outright? Don't plenty of legitimate downloads use torrents to speed up software updates and such?

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 14 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

4G piracy hub go brrrrr? Go ahead, disconnect me. I will get another SIM and resume piracy.

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