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I guess my question is who gave the Americans the right? I say this as an American. But would not the world be a better place if we just minded our own business and quit nation building and stoking non existant fires?

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[–] Steve@communick.news 94 points 5 days ago (3 children)

After world war two, Europe was busy putting itself back together. It left an opening that the US stepped into. And who wouldn't like to be the big dog in the yard.

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 40 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Pretty much this. Up to that point, it was Britain and a few other European nations that were doing all the management* in various places in the world. After WWII, they realised: "You know what, we're tired and worn out and everyone wants us out anyway. We're going low energy to rebuild at home. Someone else can step in if they want."

* a.k.a. "Colonialism". Management is an odd choice of synonym I grant you, but once you've got a colony, it's in your interests to run things in good order. Until the locals rightfully kick you out, that is.

[–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

After WWII, they realised: “You know what, we’re tired and worn out and everyone wants us out anyway

This is a very naive understanding of the history of decolonisation. Decolonisation wasn't a western initiative, it was done because the colonies were literally rebelling against their European oppressors, great part of that through Soviet funding and arming.

Someone else can step in if they want.

...unless they oppose western control of the region like Patrice Lumumba, Fidel Castro or Mosaddeq.

[–] Apepollo11@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

This is also an oversimplification.

Colonies were always rebelling. The main issue that led to decolonisation was that there was no longer the resources required to maintain these big empires.

Coal was more expensive, troops were more expensive, everything now cost too much to maintain.

It's the end phase of every empire.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago (22 children)

They (the USA) got to be the big dog, protecting us in europe, and we let them the hard & soft power. Everyone was happy (in the US and Europe) until americans started to believe their own hype that thay are in fact better than other people, and thus the breakup began.

It's not over just yet with the usa supremacy but trump fucked things up so bad that IMO ten years from now the world will be a different place.

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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 43 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Pretty much when the US was the only super power to survive WWII unscathed.

Also, having developed atomic hellfire, and the will to use it (twice), kinda makes you the big kid on the playground.

[–] LilB0kChoy@midwest.social 16 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This right here. The US was isolationist prior to WWII but then got attacked and drawn in to active war.

Since the mainland of US was untouched by war directly, and industry boomed post depression and during the war they came out of it better off than Europe, which had a lot of rebuilding to do.

As a result of the war and the need for defense they established bases all across the globe and for the last 80-90 years as the political system grew more corrupt the increase of American hegemony followed.

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[–] the_abecedarian@piefed.social 30 points 5 days ago

There are privileges to being an empire and the capitalists in the US continue to use that empire to get access to those privileges. Favorable trade, commercial, and financing terms are a big one.

Also the US war industry pushes the country to intervene. You can see how there are interventionist and isolationist movements in the US fighting right now over how much the US gets directly involved in Iran-Israel.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 28 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Because people in power only want one thing - more power. They only fear one thing - loosing power.

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago
[–] Peter_Arbeitslos@feddit.org 23 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

It's not about USA, it's about (powerful) countries in general. China, USA, more restricted also Russia, Iran, ... If someone has power (or wants to have it looks on North Korea) they also want to keep it.

[–] starlinguk@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

They want more power, they don't just want to keep it. I don't get it, isn't it absolutely exhausting?

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 21 points 4 days ago

Because it’s an empire. Everything else is clever marketing.

[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago (14 children)

I want Finland to rule the world.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

I also want that, but only for the future generations to know that "we were Finnished"

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

The citizens, in general, don’t. We want to do the same thing every other country’s people want - live our lives and hopefully give our kids a good or better one.

I have no fucking clue what the government is doing to make these decisions.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I have an answer different from the others.

US economy depends on the US intellectual property system, a few US monopolist companies and the US dollar, and the financial system.

Especially the intellectual property system. However different laws can be in various countries, in fact everybody tries to follow US law.

It means that a lot of things produces elsewhere mean royalties to US companies, and a lot of things can't be produced without permission, control of markets, planned development of microelectronics and tech in particular, yadda-yadda.

So - if, in some hypothetical situation, that IP system is undone, with some countries having similar laws, some more like USSR's "public domain by default with some fixed payment to patent holders", and all the intermediate variants, then you'll just have a second depression. Because a huge part of the economy will shrink.

US foreign debt is a meme subject, but honestly, if USD stops being the world's most reliable currency, you'll also probably have a default.

US actual industrial production (what doesn't shrink as easily) is not so impressive when looking at its size. A lot about US level of life doesn't really match the efficiency of the economy. Say, if you look at Germany, life there is very different. In some ways better, maybe, but many things normal in the US are not achievable there.

My point is - the American IP laws were spread around by pressure. Not just that, but sometimes the monopoly roles of American companies. Part of that pressure is the military guarantor role.

If that stops being relevant, a lot of things which were a given for your economy for many years will stop existing. And for a few other economies too. It might not look as bad as the USSR's collapse, but it will probably look as ruined and unpredictable as the 1960s world.

[–] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I’m curious what is normal in the US and not achievable in Germany.

[–] Scipitie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 days ago

German here: just creating and selling something is one thing that jumps to my mind.

The concept of "I have an idea and a bit of money so I'll just found a company" is ... Tiresome. Possible, yes, but the legal hurdles both good and bad are ridiculous. You need way more time than in the US just for the formal overhead and even then you are way more in it with your own private existence.

As founder "beschränkte Haftung" is not as limited as it sounds at first if you're not firm in legalese for example.

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[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 13 points 4 days ago

The USA was securing international trade lines. After WW2, they started doing it to counter communism and build friendships. (Cannot attack your trading partners.)

This was not entirely popular with Americans, see "Team America: World Police".

Another country or coalition could step up. Just build a navy that rivals the USA one to secure shipping lanes.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

We were unspoiled by WW2. This gave us an unnatural ability to pull ahead economically while other nations rebuilt. We taught our citizens that this was deserved and the propaganda has stood until pretty recently. This unfair advantage is slowly then quickly unwinding.

[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"America is the best! Nobody could match our manufacturing!"

Well no, you were just the only hevay industrial country that wasn't bombed in the 40s. America didn't rocket ahead through the 60s, they just helped kneecap the competition.

And for the god damn 10th time, Mexico and China didn't take the manufacturing. They didn't raid the US and deport Ford to them. Ford walked it all over very politely.

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[–] Fingolfinz@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

We’re taught to compete with each other basically at birth cos that’s what benefits capitalism and no one will break the cycle of this evil shit

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

After WW2 the US became addicted to being the world police and many other countries were happy to have the US cover the cost of their defense or income from hosting US bases. Selling arms is also big business and the DOD justifies it by saying that it keeps personnel and manufacturing lines for weapons running.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (4 children)

America was the standard for a Democratic Republic after WW2.

after the war we helped most of Europe return to normal and even improved quality of life and living standards. part of that help came with stipulations on how the US had control within those countries that had help.

Had the US not stepped in at the time to stabilize Europe, another war would have likely happened and another, and another.

My guess, most of Europe would have fallen under Russian rule, or at the very least heavily influenced by, if the US didn't step up.

I suppose European's don't look at how bad the war left Europe and often just want to forget the atrocities, but that's not an excuse for blaming the hand that helped you in your time of need.

[–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 5 points 4 days ago

The US didn't step in with the Marshall plan to stabilize Europe against war, the US did so in order to prevent socialist uprisings all over Western Europe, and to create ties between European capital and US capital so that Western Europe would support the US in its imperialism.

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[–] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It mostly started with the cold war. The US was obsessed with stopping the perceived threat of communism. In the process, it discovered the benefits of power mongering and war profiteering.

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Because authoritarians convinced the American people that military interventions prevent terrorist attacks to distract them from the reality which is that terrorist attacks are caused by American interventions.

It's only possible to convince Americans of that because they are shockingly ignorant of history and they believe whatever the warmongers tell them.

[–] undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I’ve heard a theory that when new presidents come into office they usually aren’t interested in being involved in conflicts. What happens is that something will happen in the world and the newly elected president will have an enormous amount of power at his disposal. Wanting to do good in the world the president will typically go for it.

I wish I could recall the name of the theory or provide references; maybe someone else can chime in.

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[–] meekah@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

I'm German and went to the US for a year as a high school student.

My US history teacher literally told us that the US is the world police. Because of that I believe that many Americans think that way.

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Please be respectful. Millions of Americans just protested the Trump administration's policies during the No Kings Day gatherings. Citizens are not the same thing as their administration. Please do not broadly label them the same. Thank you.

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[–] omega_x3@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Just like America itself England can be blamed. Since there are already a bunch of WW2 answers, I'll go back to post WW1 where England and France decided to carve up the middle east in their own interests. This created a bunch of countries with boarders that made little sense, mainly so one big influencal leader could give countries to his family members. Then jump ahead to an Australian showing up in Iran agreeing to look for oil and if he finds any he keeps 90% of the profits for 60 years. Once he found oil and made a bunch of money England said that is too good of a deal and just took over the company and changing its name to BP. Iran said this deal sucks and demanded a better deal, England said fuck you and went and asked America to step in and help them keep their deal. America sent the CIA in to cause problems, and the CIA was successful. The new leader still forced England to accept a more fair deal, but pissed off the people of Iran. So when the dictator was overthrown the new leadership was founded on a very popular policy of death to America because the CIA did what England asked them to do.

[–] peteyestee@feddit.org 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

America isn't the brand the they created as their image.

People just distract themselves from reality... We aren't even natural humans anymore we are products created by their marketing psychological manipulation absence of the essence of true humanity.

Something's going on. And people should start acting like it. Things haven't been okay for a long time regardless of left or right presidents. As if a criminal enterprise has gained control of the nation and is spreading to other nations. I don't mean America is spreading... I mean, if not just an essence, the organized crime that is orchestrating a coup in America is also out for other nations, and that world domination and world conquest is still a very real dream to eyes of many.

There is something stronger than trump and his minions. Something well funded. And remember America is young. There world wide organizations older than America.

If your not thinking with the mind of "the game"... Like criminals... Then you aren't ever going to get a above or conquer what's grabbing America by the balls and spreading across the globe.

Don't ever get marketed and manipulated by that emotional glorious pride again it's promoted that way to get you to live for it instead of genuine humanity. We have been somewhat desensitized to traditional war... But there's a psychological social war... And fighting it means more than protesting... Because it's all in the mind.

People weren't lying... I'm not lying... Snowden wasn't lying.... Bushnell wasn't lying... The people that go crazy and snap doing horrific things... Weren't lying... They just don't know how to handle the weight.

When you come to, and realize... You understand the war has been there for a long time and honest genuine humanity is far far behind.

Most of the Republicans and Democrats both citizens and politicians are gone already, as pawns, without an understanding of the real game. Like kids used by cartels, gangs and mafias. There is a bigger enemy that isn't marketed to people. The real enemy hides while using people as pawns.

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Kinda how they were "last man standing" in WW2. Everybody else got severely fucked and they won them over by with the Marshall aid program which got us to a bi-polar world with NATO in which the US was the hegemony.

After the fall of the Soviet Union and before the rise of China there was only one superpower that could act as such militarily and then US continued their power trip.

[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 4 points 4 days ago

Eisenhower warned us.

[–] sircac@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Every empire has those aspirations.

There are many ways to achieve it through the complex relationships between countries and societies (e.g. soft power, cultural influence, militar control, etc) but an empire willing to try it at any cost with any means will always succeed for longer as an empire...

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