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‘No way to invest in a career here’: US academics flee overseas to avoid Trump crackdown (www.theguardian.com)
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[–] audaxdreik@pawb.social 64 points 2 days ago (7 children)

I don't wanna dox myself too much here, but I'm getting ready to return to classes after a career as a sysadmin.

More than just politics, it's the lack of regulation in the tech industry (which is also politics, yes, everything is). I don't think people realize how rapidly the tech industry is eating itself alive. There is a gigantic crash coming and it feels like it's already started, we're just trying our best to keep the tower stable for as long as possible because no one really wants this crash.

But there's no place for me anymore. No one does internal IT because it's too expensive, everything is cloud hosted and MSP provided. And those MSPs are all onboard the AI train to further cut costs and offload support tickets. What little humanity is left is just grease to keep the internet going 24/7, god forbid you can't access the skibidi toilet fandom site without 99.9% uptime (oops, wait, we say 99.999% uptime now in the cloud). The economy is crashing and no one can afford the ever increasing prices of games and services so they're going to cut hard wherever they can which is just going to result in even more layoffs.

I'm done, man. I'm cooked. I'm in my 30's and I'm burnt out as god damn hard as I've ever been and when this is all done, maybe if I'm lucky, I can be the sysadmin for a rural little bank in Lithuania making extremely modest wages but enough to feed myself and my cat and buy what little books and games and tea I need to get through existence. It's not much, but I know I won't find it here anymore.

[–] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I made the conscious decision to leave marketing last year because I was sick of being part of the propaganda machine to sell shit. I wanted to find a career that solves problems and helps people.

I got my A+ certification in 3 months and was hoping to break into IT, but looked at the tech industry and noped out. In the meantime, I was substitute teaching and found that I actually loved it. I am now in a master’s program for elementary education and really excited to get into a classroom to connect with the kids and be a positive influence on them.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Love you. That's great. You're a good person.

[–] Zikeji@programming.dev 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My employer still has an IT team, and I don't think it's going anywhere. We are migrating to "the cloud" but it's slow and mainly a compliance thing so we can go global and house customer data local to them. They're looking for a strong sysadmin / database admin role if you're in the Atlanta area.

[–] audaxdreik@pawb.social 11 points 2 days ago

Hey thanks, I sincerely appreciate the offer, but I already have plans in the works 😊

[–] Guitarfun@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I worked hell desk for an MSP for a couple years. I imagine all MSPs are pretty similar. They run with too few employees and half ass everything. I ended up doing a lot of high level stuff most days because I was the only one in the office. The other guys would create problems to be able to go onsite and focus on one job and the company almost encouraged that behavior because onsite visits make money. I was left to do basically everything. I had a lot of freedom and someone less competent could have done some serious damage in my position. They gave us all domain admin privileges and shared passwords for everything.

It was very eye opening, but when I transferred to internal IT for a non profit I was blown away at the difference. People take time to do things correctly and everything is so organized. Our AD environment is partitioned to perfection. I love it. I don't have nearly as much power as I used to, but I love that our team does things the right way. All the companies trying to cut costs by using MSPs are going to learn a harsh lesson one day.

[–] thebeardedpotato@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Have you ever thought of moving to become a Cloud Admin or DevOps or something?

Currently working as a weird hybrid DevOps Engineer/Solutions engineer position, but I still see job postings for DevOps engineers out there.

But yeah, I’m right there with you, I’m fed up with the IT world and have been thinking of a career change but I just have no idea what kind of career I’d actually like.

May I ask, what are you taking classes for?

[–] audaxdreik@pawb.social 7 points 2 days ago

I tried the DevOps pivot, but wasn't real happy with it. Maybe some of it is just being located near a big tech hub right now, but I found most of the roles tied to startups that were just going to reinforce the kind of burnout I'm in.

Cyber Security is the new pivot. I figure the sysadmin background will give me a good leg up and there'll always be a call for security.

[–] EchoSnail@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm probably going to start from scratch to get an MD. And I'm a sys engineer. I can smell the tsunami on the horizon.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What's this tech collapse everybody is feeling in their knees like grandma before it rains? What am I missing? I'm in tech and we're flying, baby.

[–] 10001110101@lemm.ee 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

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Available jobs are below the worse time during COVID, and I'm pretty sure the number of CS grads has greatly increased (but couldn't find a good chart).

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Interesting. That looks like it sucks for people looking for work. 😐

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago

To add to this, the game industry has had year after year of record-breaking layoffs worse than the 2008 Recession for about 5 years in a row now. They over-hired during the Pandemic, expecting things to not drop off afterward, but this is way beyond that. The big companies are devouring each other and destroying studios they bought for large sums of money only a couple of years later, bleeding talent and creativity out of the workforce along the way as there are too many people laid off and too few jobs. Most of them will never work in the industry again.

[–] houndeyes@toast.ooo 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

but I'm getting ready to return to classes

So what classes will you be taking? I'm assuming you're returning to classes to pivot?

[–] audaxdreik@pawb.social 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Cyber Security. It's close to the IT/Sysadmin world I know so I feel like I'll have a good start. I figure there's no such thing as job security anymore, but there'll always be a need for strong security.

[–] houndeyes@toast.ooo 5 points 1 day ago

From what I've read, that's a good choice!

[–] liverbe@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

What do you mean tech crash? Employment crash?

[–] gndagreborn@lemmy.world 47 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I go to medical school in Texas. I can confirm the braindrain is fairly frightening to everyone in academics, medicine, and research here. MD/PhDs are the ones impacted most at my institution.

I fucking hate this state. I didn't used to, but it's pretty clear the state is highly corrupt.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If you're in medical school, you would have been there at least in the beginning of Biden's term. Texas was still a shit hole then.

What made you go to medical school in fucking Texas?

The number of people I know who have voluntarily moved there with absolutely no reason have been shocking. I have a co-worker who moved from NYC to Dallas for no reason outside of "I wanted to move somewhere different."

Not a job relocation. No family there. Just straight up "I'm moving".

[–] gndagreborn@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Texas has TMDSAS, which makes anyone who is a resident of Texas automatically a sour grape for the national AMCAS system. Essentially, if you are from Texas, your chances of getting in out of state is pretty much nil unless you are the top 99%.

Leaving Texas is not a small feat. And I already knew Texas was falling into a deeper rabbit hole of conservatism, but you talk as if it's so easy for myself or my colleagues to leave.

Believe me, if it were that simple, many of us would have done it. Many out of state schools won't even look at Texas applicants because of the TMDSAS protectionist policies. It feels like you are generalizing your anecdotal experience to the broader whole, and that's just not realistic.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

me, a moron: sweet. i'm finally the smartest person in this chair

[–] janus2@lemmy.zip 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

holy shit i might actually have a chance to get into grad school now :]

bummer I'll have to live under a fascist dictatorship since i can't afford to move to Europe tho

[–] match@pawb.social 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

good news you can finally be a scientist!

bad news your PhD dissertation must be about why Trump is so great

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Part of this is likely cutting funding.

[–] selkiesidhe@lemm.ee 33 points 1 day ago

Crackdown on "smart people". Because smart people don't vote republikkkan.

[–] Jhogenbaum@leminal.space 27 points 1 day ago

Yep! Our family said this exact same words and translated our CV into Spanish and German. My wife was depressed at first that her fifteen years of working in academia and research all comes to this simple idea. There is clearly no future here.

The institute she is at did not take on a single PhD candidate this year (for the first time in its history)... Meaning some PhDs will graduate this year and next year etc - but in four or five (or seven, lol) years the real impact of that decision will hit.

[–] klu9@piefed.social 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm in Mexico, and on those occasions I listen to Spotify with ads, for the first time I'm hearing ads in English from universities in Canada wanting to attract students from Mexico to do masters and PhDs there.

[–] KMAMURI@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Canadian here. Please be aware that our federal government is currently favoring laws against international students due to a huge problem with schools admitting many more international students than their facilities or surrounding communities could handle to collect increased tuition and fees. I'm not sure how that applies to masters and PhD students but may affect anyone from outside the country.

They are also currently tabling legislation to limit immigration in ways similar to how the US has in the past. This never leads to safety and happiness for minorities or immigrants as we have seen elsewhere. Should these laws not be amended and pass as written I would not consider Canada a safe haven any longer. It is sad and maddening all at athe same time.

I apologise for the actions of my government for they do not speak for me and I hope more Canadians can see what is happening here and act to stop it.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

You're a good person for this comment alone. ❤️

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Imagine what boons this will bring to Europe, when all the American scientists move over here.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Only if Europe invests in science so they can actually do meaningful research here. I've seen some plans but we'll see what will happen, especially with all the extra founding that will have to go to the military.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Even if the scientists go to the military sector that's a boon for science. Military scientists often end up making things that get adopted all across society, GPS for example started as a military-only navigation aid. And technologies that can aid in giving medical aid to soldiers on the field can be adopted in hospitals.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 7 points 1 day ago

Yes but most of the money spent on rearmament of Europe will be spent on equipment, not research. What will be needed are programs like: https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20250505-france-eu-us-scientists

They promised €500m. We'll see if that's enough.

[–] Wazowski@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

I am so fkn glad that I made the decision to gtfo academia all those years ago.