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As tensions escalate between California and the Trump administration over immigration, another potential battlefront is emerging over taxes.

The spat began with reports that the Trump administration is considering cutting funding for California's university system, the largest higher education system in the nation with about 12% of all U.S. enrolled students.

In response, Gov. Gavin Newsom wrote Friday afternoon in a social media post that California provides about $80 billion more in taxes to the federal government than it receives in return.

"Maybe it's time to cut that off, @realDonaldTrump," Newsom said.

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[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 290 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Fucking do it. I'll cum buckets.

[–] cattywampas@lemm.ee 95 points 2 days ago (9 children)

I don't think there's really a way to do this, since federal taxes are paid directly to the fed without state involvement. This is just to poke the bear, which I am all for.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 78 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Companies, no. But the state employs a lot of people.

[–] duckworthy36@lemm.ee 33 points 2 days ago

And county, and cities

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[–] GuyFawkes@midwest.social 44 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Good. Keep poking until he has a heart attack. If he recovers, rinse and repeat until we get it right.

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[–] turtlesareneat@discuss.online 40 points 2 days ago

The hypothetical way to do it is severely penalize companies within California that pay federal tax. Make it so financially burdonsome they have to relocate or stop paying federal tax of their own accord. This is just what's been suggested before when this has come up.

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[–] Mynameisallen@lemmy.zip 163 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Holy fucking shit. I'm amazed, I was just saying the other day that this would eventually get into this point. Didn't think it'd be this week

[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 111 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fascism only has one speed: Blitzkrieg.

Any other speed would be slow enough for people to have enough time to band together and organize a resistance to this horseshit.

That's literally the only playbook. Break everything: Go fast. Hit people with so much horseshit they are still stuck trying to process the one from 2 weeks ago, because since then 5 other constitutional crisis' have happened and now they're deporting both of your neighbors.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 42 points 2 days ago (4 children)

That's not really the case, though. This rise of fascism has been building for decades now. It's been a slow, steady, drip drip drip. Perhaps not so noticeable except from the outside - Americans are embedded in a pervasive atmosphere of propaganda. The Republicans have been getting more and more authoritarian over the years, more and more extreme, and the Democrats have been letting them. It's been more than four years since the last violent coup attempt, after all, and those were the same people behind this play.

It's not progressing fast. You just haven't noticed its progress until now, when it's nearly done.

[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 46 points 2 days ago (5 children)

We're not talking about the rise of fascism. It took decades for that to ferment in Germany and Italy as well.

We're talking about when they seize power. Then they make their move.

We're talking about the powergrab of fascists once they've laid the groundwork.

That's the part they need to move lightning fast to achieve a result, before resistance can organize against them. That's the part in history we're at right now.

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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 145 points 2 days ago

In a shocking twist rural Californian conservatives now want to pay federal taxes.

[–] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 129 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If blue states were to band together and do this, it would bankrupt Trump’s fascist federal government pretty quickly. Maybe a blue state Articles of Confederation is in order.

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[–] asteriskeverything@lemmy.world 75 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I'm not mad at this at all I'm thrilled a politician is actually fighting back. He has a history of standing up against trump and the gop status quo

That said this is the first time there is any bite to it and the cynic/realist in me is saying it's cause he is gearing up for presidential nomination and election. I really hope he is not the Democrat choice.

~~if the good wife/fight taught me anything the democrats already have someone picked out and priming public for it~~

I just wish we had Bernie i wanna see that timline :'(

[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 56 points 2 days ago (9 children)

I want the timeline where Carter won a second term and the Christian nationalists funding Reagan realized their plan didn't work and give up on it.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 65 points 2 days ago

What is a donor state?

Indeed, cbsnews. What is a “donor state”?

Maybe if you could use that term a few dozen more times, other outlets could pick it up and it would eventually back up into Fox News’ talking points where they’d have to either lie utterly, or risk their viewers’ comprehension that red states take money from blue states. Charity, let’s say. MAGA heads would temporarily be offline.

[–] selkiesidhe@lemm.ee 64 points 2 days ago

CA is the forth largest economy; it would destroy the red state fuckheads if they stopped paying federal taxes. The rest of us follow suit and we defund the motherfuckers stinking up the government.

If you are sending our military against OUR OWN FUCKING PEOPLE we should not be PAYING FOR IT. My taxes don't go to that fascist bullshit

🖕🤬🖕 Fuck drumpf and every bootlicker that got him (probably illegally) elected

[–] Gerudo@lemm.ee 62 points 2 days ago

I'm not a fan of Newsom, but get it dude.

[–] HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world 61 points 2 days ago (7 children)

I've been talking to alot of people about something like this. If CA didn't pay federal tax, and all of it went to state, CA would make more money. Don't want to incite insurrection...but I think we could do alright by ourselves if push came to shove.

[–] KingJalopy@lemm.ee 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As someone living in California, I could certainly use some more money... Doesn't help my employer moved me here then reneged on my proposed salary. It's very hard to make it here, but ultimately worth it. For me anyhow.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Doesn’t help my employer moved me here then reneged on my proposed salary

Look up "promissory estoppel."

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 58 points 2 days ago

MOTHERFUCKING DO IT

Stop bending the knee to a felon rapist traitor who uses the military to assault American citizens.

Stop providing welfare to failing red states who elect felon rapist traitors who target blue states.

[–] Muscle_Meteor@discuss.tchncs.de 50 points 2 days ago

I had the disolution of the US for 2035 with California being the first to leave... Fuckin speedrunners

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 48 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don’t know how this would work, but do it.

I don’t expect Governor Greaseball to follow though, but I would wholeheartedly support this. And secession. I’d also support secession.

[–] Airowird@lemm.ee 42 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Iirc, California is like the 5th largest economy in the world. Secession sounds like a great way to crash the US economy.

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[–] 4grams@awful.systems 44 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Been saying that we’re headed for balkanization since the clown won his first term. Not seeing any reason to change that prediction.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 45 points 2 days ago

balkanization

For uninformed people like myself:

Balkanization is the process of a country or region fragmenting into smaller, often hostile units, typically driven by ethnic, cultural, religious, or geopolitical differences. The term originates from the Balkan Peninsula, a region that has experienced significant fragmentation throughout history, and the term is now used more broadly to describe similar processes elsewhere.

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[–] TwinTitans@lemmy.world 39 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Feel free to join Canada my friends.

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

There is no way Newsom has this much balls. There is no way he could possible be this based.

Right? Golly, I hope he proves me wrong.

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[–] bizzle@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I don't like Gavin Newsom, but I really hope he does this. It would be so funny 🥲

[–] A_cook_not_a_chef@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago

I won't be holding my breath, but it would be hilarious.

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[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (14 children)

Frankly I’d be surprised if anyone even does their taxes in this next cycle. Give dumpster nothing. Cut him off. Let congress figure out how their gonna pay the military and ICE and golf with their own dime to keep this shit up.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Most people have their federal tax withheld by their employers and do their taxes in order to get back their overpayment. Are we all going to not do our taxes and leave that overpayment in the government's coffers? Are employers going to stop doing the withholding? Neither scenario is very likely.

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Go to HR. Ask for a W-4, change withholding to $0.

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[–] MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

just fucking do it, you asshole.

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[–] ChillCapybara@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 2 days ago (2 children)

So private prison giant GEO group Donates heavily to Trump‘s campaign. Trump has ice indiscriminately pick people up for “deportation“ where they are sent to prisons run by GEO group. Concerned citizens protest ICE actions in California. Trump illegally deploys national guard without the consent of California's government to attack law abiding citizens in California. Gavin Newsome, Liberal democrat and defender of capitalism, uses legal tactics to fight back against illegal activities. To me this act rings hollow. Please someone tell me what I am missing, because I would love to have a glimmer of hope these days.

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I’m not sure how legal it is for CA to stop paying taxes. At the very least, it’s an attempt to attack where it hurts, which is in the money.

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Calexit is becoming less and less of a meme every day.

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[–] Foni@lemmy.zip 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I would like to leave this here as a warning, because it seems relevant to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

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[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (3 children)

One thing that might be misunderstood here is that California not paying taxes wouldn't harm Trump. Trump's goal, made clear from a sum of lots of behaviors, is the destruction of the United States. Defaulting on its debt, zeroing its GDP, destroying the livelihood of its inhabitants, and ultimately killing its war machine, so that they can't fight Putin's army. California's lack of payment may just hasten that goal.

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[–] The_Shwa@midwest.social 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

My guess is that Newsom’s only angle would be to say “on X date, all state employee income tax withholdings will go into escrow.” Thats about a quarter million employees out of 20m people filing for taxes in CA.

Then the state would have to start coding and integrating that new system which - would be a HUGE pain in the ass. And while that was happening, this would likely be getting shut down by the SCOTUS.

Not trying to be a Debby downer for people that want to stick it to Trump. At first glance, it looks like leverage, but when you look closer, you see that Newsom can only control a small piece of the pie.

[–] transientpunk@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 days ago (4 children)

As Trump has shown, legality doesn't matter if you can drag out the legislative process long enough. Clearly, California withholding taxes will be struck down by the courts, but the damage will be done if it can be dragged out long enough to disrupt the bond market even further than Taco already has.

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[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 19 points 2 days ago (3 children)

If the military was being deployed before for so little reason then hold on to your butts, the entire US military will be thrown in to the mix and California will be treated as an occupied state in no time if they touch the money.

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[–] Bonus@piefed.social 18 points 2 days ago

Let's Fucking Do This

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