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As tensions escalate between California and the Trump administration over immigration, another potential battlefront is emerging over taxes.

The spat began with reports that the Trump administration is considering cutting funding for California's university system, the largest higher education system in the nation with about 12% of all U.S. enrolled students.

In response, Gov. Gavin Newsom wrote Friday afternoon in a social media post that California provides about $80 billion more in taxes to the federal government than it receives in return.

"Maybe it's time to cut that off, @realDonaldTrump," Newsom said.

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[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Frankly I’d be surprised if anyone even does their taxes in this next cycle. Give dumpster nothing. Cut him off. Let congress figure out how their gonna pay the military and ICE and golf with their own dime to keep this shit up.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Most people have their federal tax withheld by their employers and do their taxes in order to get back their overpayment. Are we all going to not do our taxes and leave that overpayment in the government's coffers? Are employers going to stop doing the withholding? Neither scenario is very likely.

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Go to HR. Ask for a W-4, change withholding to $0.

[–] HiddenLychee@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's only going to cause little people more problems as they get audited. The thought is nice but no way would the feds pass up the opportunity to ruin people's lives for this.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And it's not like withholding some tax revenues would have any effect on Republican spending. Despite their bullshit "fiscal conservatism" rhetoric, they've had no qualms whatsoever about running enormous deficits for more than half a century now. A tax strike would just produce more debt and give Republicans ammo to blame it all on Democrats.

They've actually run those deficits up very intentionally. If you aren't familiar with the Two Santas Strategy, this is worth a read:

https://www.milwaukeeindependent.com/thom-hartmann/two-santas-strategy-gop-used-economic-scam-manipulate-americans-40-years/

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The IRS can change it back via a "lock in letter".

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Well it is a good thing then that DOGE fired the IRS

[–] twice_hatch@midwest.social 15 points 3 days ago

For people like me who have some savings and investments but don't want to run afoul of the law - Just take a couple years off. I'm working part time to cover my cost of living, and I'm not investing. So minimizing what I pay in income tax and taxes on dividends.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

I hope people reading this aren't taking this advice seriously... The IRS will fuck you up. They have less funding, but that only means that they only go after low hanging fruit (AKA people who can't afford a team of lawyers to fight). They'll garnish your fucking wages.

Kinda crazy that the comment is so highly upvoted... I get the sentiment, but you're giving people really bad advice here.

[–] 10001110101@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Idk, the author of "Civil Disobedience" did it. It's a valid resistance method, or just a way to keep yourself morally consistent. Every kind of resistance has a good chance of bringing harm to yourself.

I personally didn't file one year; kinda just kept putting it off because I knew I wouldn't be able to pay my taxes (was a 1099 worker, and suffered some major financial blows that year); nothing ever happened, but it definitely was a risk. I probably won't do that as an "act of resistance" next year, but will probably try extending as long as possible.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago

I mean yeah, you can do it... But you're going to accomplish literally nothing and there's a good chance that it will cause you much distress.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nice try Steve miller. Go jump up your butt.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

OK, go ahead and change your withholding to $0 and see what happens. Publicly announcing your intentions to stop paying federal taxes will definitely help as well.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I do zero withholding every year because I get a higher return by investing it. And I've been openly posting about tax resistance for years. It'd be a lot more realistic if my whole state was on board!

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I meant "do zero withholding, and then don't file taxes" as that was the implication.

I know what tax resistance is, I'm just talking about the (very real) consequences that people better be ready for if they take that advice.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

DOGE already scrapped the IRS

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You think the IRS doesn't exist anymore? You think that the federal government is just going to stop collecting taxes?

Lol.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Stop whining. She left you for Elon. And it’s entirely justified with how much of an asshole you are. Just think how big of a loser you are to make him the winner.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

She left you for Elon.

Lol what. Are you doin ok, buddy?

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

"Doing your taxes next cycle" just accounts for bonuses/corrections after reviewing taxes that had been paid through the year. It happens every paycheck.

Some people have very daringly chosen to withhold all taxes from each paycheck - there are legal reasons you might do this like "I plan to have a large tax write-off", but without said reason, it's very possible the IRS would come after you.

the govt doesn't need money to spend it btw - this is how we got the national debt

this could affect something but not as much as youmight think