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The Orville was sweet justice for Penny Johnson Jerald as an actor. She has been so good and used so well as Doctor Finn.
It has all been downhill since the late 90s
Fuck, Agent Smith was right.
I put 9/11 as the beginning of the end.
Discovery gets more hate then it deserves, but The Orville is certainly more of a Star Trek show. I'm glad I stuck out the rough start (which is on brand for a Star Trek show lol)
Discovery gets more hate then it deserves
I think the problem is the writers clearly had a show that they wanted and for some bizarre reason they decided that it was also going to be a Star Trek show even though they clearly didn't actually want it to be Star Trek.
If they just made it its own thing it would have been fine, but all this Star Trek lore kept popping up and then they had to come up with some hand wavy explanation for why their particular vision doesn't fit established canon, and the whole thing just didn't work as a result.
I would have been totally down for a "magic exists alongside the sci-fi technology" show. There's a lot they could have done with that concept, but then for some reason they kept trying to introduce Klingons into it.
but then for some reason they kept trying to introduce Klingons into it.
Ones with a third different head shape, no less!
Fourth. You forgot about the "Kelvin timeline" Star Trek films.
Wouldn’t that be 5 then?
Interesting point! Had to look up some screenshots, but it does look like they were maybe trying to "bridge the gap" between the TOS and TNG-era Klingon look in that film, which I am going to be watching again after this meeting in order to verify.
Even if it's an intentional transitory look, I'll agree that it's still unique, and therefore counts. Great call.
I'd say there are up to 8 designs, depending on how much you want to nitpick:
I remember right before Discovery aired they showed a few behind the scenes pictures and one of them included the Klingon uniforms.
Me and a lot of other people started saying “Did they steal those from the Abrams movies?”
Agreed. It's a decent action scifi show that is hurt by trying to fit the IP. It did do some interesting things with the mirror universe, and some of the latter season parts where it takes nonsensical one off TOS concepts and completely seriously says "that's canon, let's build a plot point on it" were entertaining, if not good.
But it just doesn't get Star Trek and it says something that I tell people getting in to the shows not to watch it.
I respectfully disagree, discovery is a truly awful star trek installment. However I respect your opinion.
Now I'm thinking I should give it another try.
I gave Discovery half a season, I have the Orville 2 or 3 episodes and while it was funny it didn't really click for me. I just lost interest after a few episodes.
Edit: just finished episode 3. Now I remember why I didn't keep watching. I should have just read the plot breakdown and skipped the episode. It just left a bad taste in my mouth.
The best way that I found to think about The Orville is that Seth MacFarlane had to shoe-horn jokes into the first few episodes to satisfy the execs who expected him to make a comedy and then gradually that tapers off to become a really solid Star Trek-type show (that still has humor, but it’s more organic, workplace type humor).
Yeah, it follows a lot of the "futuristic parallels to modern day issues" that we saw with ToS and TNG, while at the same time adding in humor that ranges from tongue-in-cheek to outright raunchy. I can't imagine a TNG episode that would address "holodeck sex addiction" but Orville actually manages to do a pretty good job of stradding seriousness of that issue along with humor.
For the more serious stuff: imagine an alliance when it's discovered that one of the members has done (and is still doing) some stuff that's pretty strongly against the morals of the rest. If called on it they threaten to pull out. While all are in the middle of a war for survival. And they're also one of the biggest weapons suppliers
That's pretty close to some issues today while also being years old.
The Orville is a weird show. It hews very closely to the format and production design of 90s Trek (including a lot of budget-conscious decisions), and many of the creatives have a Star Trek background going back that far. Frankly, I think a lot of the scripts were from the TNG slush pile. It's clearly a love letter to those shows.
However, it's also clearly Seth MacFarlane's love letter. He gets to be the captain. His friends and lovers get to play major parts despite sometimes not really having the acting chops for it. The characters are all obsessed with the cultural touchstones of white American Gen-X'ers. In the early going, the Family-Guy/Ted/etc. sense of humor is front and center, and while that gets much better, it never fully goes away. One can also just about imagine 20-something Seth and his buddies screaming at the TV that there is no moral ambiguity in a given ST episode and that Jean Luc needs to just pick a side.
In some ways, it can be pretty rough, but then, mostly because it is such an earnest homage, it's greater than the sum of its parts. I never fell in love with it the way many have, but after wading through the first few episodes and getting a feel for what it was and wasn't, I grew fond of it. I'd say it's worth watching, but you don't have to apologize for not fully buying in. TBH, I feel fairly similar levels of tempered fondness for Disco, though for very different reasons.
wjrii hit the nail on the head. If you categorically don't like the vibe it might not be for you. Like any true Trek show it takes time to find its feet. The plot is coarse and hamfisted (as a trans person, the trans allegory episode was hard to get through) but eventually turns around to be a good example of scifi for contemporary social commentary. The humour (both quality and balance) improves but it doesn't stop being a Seth MacFarlane show. I value its earnesty, but it's pretty far down the list for my suggested "Star Trek" viewing order.
It got the hate it deserved
Scenery: repainted ikea furniture
vulcan / doctor / kirk: check
All extraterrestrial planets are shot in the back lot: check
Well, everything seems to be acceptable here.
Excited for s4 oville!
Me too. I would like if they packed a little more humour into the season, like season 1 and 2. Season 3 was a little too serious. It was good, don't get me wrong, but there were just a little too far between the jokes.
The problem with s3 wasn't the seriousness - we had plenty of that everywhere else - it was the missing small moments. Those little filler moments they slipped into the episodic serials that picked out little threads here and there and brought such a very very heartwarmingly humorous and human element to the show. Bortus’ moustache. The random Karaoke. Talking shit in the mess, finding out a crewmember can eat anything and Gordon promptly producing a cactus and a dare. Latchkum! Shit that made you invest in the characters. The reminder that even in utopia we're still batshit humanity
Is it happening?
Admittedly I haven't exactly been keeping up with the news but it's been radio silence for a few years now so I am kind of sceptical.
The fact that they didn't immediately go into season 4 after finishing season 3, which is what most shows do, kind of implied that the studio at least felt done with it. Which personally I think was short-sighted. You don't leave large gaps like that because it increases the likelihood that the actors are going to go off and get other gigs. It's not like they're being paid in the interim so they kind of have to.
The timing was that Disney was in the process of transferring ownership of all the 20th Century Fox media to them right as The Orville would have been gearing up for a fourth season production.
What’s more interesting than them not immediately green-lighting it was that they never ever canceled it. Disney rattled off a list of Fox/Hulu properties they wouldn’t continue and The Orville was suspiciously absent. Seth confirmed later on that he was negotiating to continue the show and told fans to never say die.
And, yeah, the extended production timeline of season 3 is what made Adrianne Palicki (Kelly Grayson) walk. It seems like most, if not all, the rest of the principal cast is still onboard.
I'm going to add .world's c/startrek and c/tenforward to the links section of our community and I hope you guys do the same.
Why?! They are totally different shows that share no similarities, do not share themes, do not share numerous details, share no actors, writers or directors and are just completely different, distinct SF shows!
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good god I love the orville so much
I tried The Orville, but got a little put off by McFarlane as the captain.
Does this improve as the series goes on?
As I might give it another shot.
It does get better, and Ed becomes a lot less wishy-washy.
The conceit of The Orville is that it’s not the best ship in the fleet with the best crew. The Orville is an older mid-sized cruiser and the only reason Ed made Captain is because they couldn’t find enough Captains to fill out a rapidly-expanding fleet. So they gave this unimportant ship to him.
I think they spent way too much time on Ed getting over his divorce with his XO Kelly, but after that he’s fine.
As for the show itself, only the Pilot really feels like “Family Guy in space,” because that was a Trojan Horse to get the show on the air in the first place. After that, it really does become a send up to The Next Generation and the 3rd season, New Horizons, is an actual science fiction epic.
That's a reassuring bit of info. If the in-universe explanation is that he isn't the best captain, I might give it another shot.
As my initial reaction was "has McFarlane just made himself kirk?"
No, he actually sidelines himself quite a bit.
I didn't like the humor, but it tones down in each season. By season 3, the humor is about as frequent as a lighthearted TNG episode, and it's done better.
Doesn't really matter, because it's a show pretending to be satire so it could get greenlit. It's just a TNG-era Star Trek with a different coat of paint. There are a lot of places where it's doing the same plot as some other bit of Star Trek, except doing it better with more lead up across many episodes.
Stick with it. The first few episodes were terrible, and I was very pessimistic about it's future. Then it suddenly got better very quickly, and became nearly as good as the Star Trek series'. Its gotten even better as time went on. Im looking forward to its return.
Farscape: any chance you could send O’Brian over for some pure jet fuel?
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