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[–] Flickerby@lemmy.zip 103 points 14 hours ago (39 children)

This is just blatantly false, men's rights do vary wildly state by state. I get what this is saying and I agree with the message but presenting a good message behind a lie doesn't make it any less of a lie.

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 43 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

I am also very supportive of women's rights but lying is not helpful.

Honestly the point that it tries to make is not the point that it makes either. It could be understood as "let's ban abortion everywhere", and I don't think that is the point that it tries to make.

I am in favor of bodily autonomy and I don't care what the law currently is anywhere, it should be a given.

[–] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 11 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

I am also very supportive of women's rights but lying is not helpful.

Worth knowing: although they attract a lot of anti-feminist losers, the "men's rights" activists are absolutely correct that men do not universally have the same support programs or even legal presumptions that women do. These can vary widely from state to state and even from court to court.

It's not nearly as big an issue as "they want her to die from a miscarriage", but "they presume he's the inferior parent" or "they presume he caused the violence even if he's the one bleeding" are also sexist oppression.

(Comparisons to the anti-woke "all lives matter" bullshit are apt -- men can and should recognize that relatively minor slights and injustices are not nearly as urgent as denying pregnant humans life-saving care!)

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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 66 points 20 hours ago (26 children)

Men's rights very much do differ by state but not anywhere near as significant

[–] neatchee@piefed.social 9 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (8 children)

You are missing the point. There are no rights exclusive to men that vary by state. The only rights that vary by state for one gender are women's rights.

Things like parental rights don't apply here because those impact both genders (they are zero-sum; a decrease in men's paternal rights implies an increase in women's rights).

Only women have specific rights that ONLY impact women and vary from state to state

[–] IndieGoblin@lemmy.4d2.org 5 points 15 hours ago (6 children)

There are no rights exclusive to men or women. Abortion also affects trans men.

[–] neatchee@piefed.social 6 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (3 children)

While you are technically correct, this is very obviously a discussion about reproductive rights, and the historical oppression of women as those who are most commonly impacted by reproductive rights issues. Your point is factual and valid but it is a distraction from the very important conversation being had here.

If this discussion leads to improved protection of reproductive rights, by pointing to the imbalance between traditionally male and traditionally female rights under US law, then trans men will also benefit. As such, the distraction of pointing out that trans men are also impacted therefore it's "not just women" and the implication that we shouldn't be talking about the ongoing oppression of women but rather "uterus havers", works against your own interests.

The people who need to be convinced that reproductive rights need protection, and for whom the "it's imbalanced" argument will be effective, are often even more vehemently opposed to trans issues. Bringing your point up here only serves to further entrench people who might otherwise be swayed to make changes that would benefit trans men. This is called "breaking into jail".

There is a time and a place to have the "trans men are impacted by reproductive rights issues" discussion and this isn't it.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 12 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe make the point in a more direct and less confusing manner then? People are just critiquing the message because its written poorly. Its not even apparent its about reproductive rights until someone else clarifies that.

[–] nieminen@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I knew immediately that it was about reproductive rights, but that's just because that's been the latest and most consistent snub against women lately.

If this were 40 years ago it would probably be about their ability to get a bank account or credit card without a man.

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 hours ago
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[–] D1re_W0lf@piefed.world 49 points 17 hours ago (6 children)

If a right varies from state to state, it’s not a right, it’s a conditional privilege.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 20 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I'd argue they are still rights whether the law is behind it or not. These things are always a moral entitlement; not always a lawful one.

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[–] bear@lemmy.blahaj.zone 43 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

Liability for child and spousal support do vary by state.

Gendered inequity in criminal punishment does vary by state also.

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[–] ignirtoq@feddit.online 29 points 20 hours ago (6 children)

Men's rights to what, exactly? There are plenty of rights that affect men that vary state to state. Off the top of my head I can think of firearm rights that vary dramatically state to state. Or are we talking about rights exclusive to men because of different biology between men and women? I feel like other than a vasectomy, I'm not sure what other male-biology-related rights I have. Honestly there's less technology related to reproduction on the male side.

I get the point of the message, that there are rights women should be universally guaranteed that aren't, and I totally agree with that message. But the phrasing seems ambiguous at best.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 22 points 19 hours ago

I am sure that they are speaking of reproductive rights that apply exclusively to men.

The biggest one that I can think of that varies by region are paternal rights. Things like which parent gets custody, child support. I guess you could say that paternal rights in that case simply vary inversely to maternal rights.

I think I recall from the past that in some states, a sperm donor, like for a sperm bank, may be subject to more liability for their children than in other states.

Medically, there's not only vasectomy, but also drugs that cause erections like Viagra, as well as other impotence treatments. I have no idea if any of those vary by state. Prostate treatment would also count. Any treatment that might increase or decrease viable sperm count.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were differences between states about how penile implants or even piercings are treated.

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 24 points 5 hours ago

Yup.

We live in a country where if I get in the car with my girlfriend on the west coast and drive to the east coast, she gains and loses basic human rights multiple times before we reach our destination and nothing changes for me.

We can't even treat our women with respect. Trash nation. Full stop.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 22 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

Unless those men are black, Hispanic, or neurodivergent.

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[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 20 points 9 hours ago (11 children)

Tell me that when we ban male genital mutilation.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 10 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Aha aha aha but wait, it's equally legal in every state, thus making it just fine. /s

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 13 points 10 hours ago (18 children)

I don't get why people think saying things like "REPEAT THAT OUT LOUD" makes their point better. Let the horror speak for itself, it's plenty capable of doing so.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

To be fair, given the apparent average reading comprehension of most social media users, it probably does actually make a difference

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Social media users on text platforms are probably above average on reading skills. I'm convinced the average person is only semi literate, and there's a shocking amount of people who can barely read at all.

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[–] KawaiiBitch@lemmy.world 10 points 19 hours ago
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[–] CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

More bullshit, made up divisiveness.

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago

Men's rights don't vary state by state, but women's rights do vary state by state. There I said it out loud because I'm talking into my phone.

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