this post was submitted on 19 Nov 2025
306 points (99.7% liked)

Technology

76917 readers
3135 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related news or articles.
  3. Be excellent to each other!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, this includes using AI responses and summaries. To ask if your bot can be added please contact a mod.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed
  10. Accounts 7 days and younger will have their posts automatically removed.

Approved Bots


founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Microsoft's AI CEO, Mustafa Suleyman, has shared his opinion after recent pushback from users online that are becoming frustrated with Copilot and AI on Windows. In a post on X, Suleyman says he's mind blown by the fact that people are unimpressed with the ability to talk fluently with an AI computer.

His post comes after Windows president Pavan Davuluri was recently met with major backlash from users online for posting about Windows evolving into an agentic OS. His post was so negatively received that he was forced to turn off replies, though Davuluri did later respond to reassure customers that the company was aware of the feedback.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] cv_octavio@piefed.ca 169 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Never seen someone with a mind so easily blown.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 17 points 4 hours ago

At the idea of customer choice and feedback, no less; like those things are somehow BAD.

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 137 points 8 hours ago (6 children)

Microsoft is truly the king of putting out a product that no one wanted or asked for, then wondering why no one wants it. I'm sure they will soon begin the second phase of any Microsoft product: spending a small country's GDP marketing it to try to get people to use it, despite it being prominently displayed on approximately 5 billion operating systems already.

A tried and true strategy to piss through more money than god to justify spending more money than god building the thing that no one wants. Looking at you, IE and edge.

[–] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 61 points 8 hours ago (6 children)
[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 27 points 7 hours ago

What about that 365 bullshit?

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 18 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

You know what I want MS to do? Remove all the extra crap and just be a simple OS. The desktop should use 500MB or so of memory, boot should be a few seconds, and launching programs should be a few seconds. Don't do any weird caching nonsense, I don't need tens of GBs of OS nonsense, just give me a simple OS.

I have that w/ Linux. The only value Windows provides is app compatibility. Stop trying to be anything more than that.

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Man, can you imagine how good a bare bones version of win 10 would be? Drop all the useless software and telemetry services, only run the 3 or 4 background services that people use, and use flat window decorations like win 8. Essentially a modernized windows XP. Would be rad.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 14 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

spending a small country’s GDP marketing

Not to mention the energy demand of a similar small country

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 93 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

Well my guy have you actually used and I mean really sat down and used your burning pile of slop for an excuse of an OS? I bet you haven‘t because you don‘t have to. Your assistants have to deal with that and they get paid to not complain about it. Meanwhile you get paid to waste oxygen and have lost touch with reality to the point you‘re no longer able to contribute to society in your current position. How sad.

[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 36 points 7 hours ago

Hey don't make fun of him too much, he might have to buy another yacht to make himself feel better.

[–] AZX3RIC@lemmy.world 24 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

Holy fuck. I have to paste shit from reports into Outlook daily and that stupid fucking menu that pops up asking about if I want the formatting to match, that you can't get rid of, drives me crazy.

And! And! You want a sync button? It's not just hanging out anymore, you have to find it. Don't like more clicks? That's ok, use the F key. But not F5 like is standard on browsers! Enjoy pressing F9.

First world problems but they're mine!

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 29 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

I'll bet I can make your left eye twitch.

Are you ready?

collapsed inline media

A "large" amount of information.

Bitch, my computer has 128 gigabytes of RAM. It's a tiny god. The fact that I have as many as 100 cells copied to the clipboard (which is the threshold that triggers this stupid message, if you've ever wondered) is not even a rounding error. I'm sure this was marginally important in 1982 or whenever this was first coded into Excel, but today my computer could lose an entire megabyte of memory or maybe even ten down between the couch cushions and neither of us would notice.

There is still no setting to disable this dumbshit message.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Quazatron@lemmy.world 77 points 6 hours ago (15 children)

You know what would impress me? That I would be able to start using my computer when I boot it in the morning.

As it stands I have to wait some 5 to 10 minutes before the mouse pointer decides to cooperate with me. And god forbid I attempt to start a Teams meeting, either the camera, mic or screen share will not work at all.

What the hell is this dumbass operating system doing that is more important than responding to the damn user?

Same machine, booting Linux, lets me start working right away. No stuttering, no freezes. Go figure.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 50 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

It's sad that all of those things were solved problems 20 years ago.

Like, Skype was usable on pretty much any computer with a webcam in 2006. Computers booted in a couple minutes with their spinning disk drives.

The tech is faster, more reliable, higher resolution, etc, but the software is fucking ass.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 15 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Yup, and Linux probably boots faster. On my NVMe w/ full-disk encryption (not through the disk's microcontroller, through an outside FS), I boot to desktop in like 5 sec or less, and the desktop is fully usable. If I want to launch a program, I type the name and hit enter, and it launches in a couple seconds.

My M3 Mac is a little worse, since it gets confused about launching an app vs looking for a file, and it takes a bit longer to boot (20-30 seconds?).

But my SO's Windows machine is something else. It takes a minute or two to boot, and after that it takes a minute or two to "settle." I have no idea what it's doing, but I generally get up and get a drink or something when my SO asks me to get something pulled up. Why is it so crappy?

[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 13 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (6 children)
xxx@xxx:~$ systemd-analyze
Startup finished in 1.514s (kernel) + 3.331s (userspace) = 4.846s 
graphical.target reached after 3.328s in userspace.

My machine is instantly usable in <5 seconds.

load more comments (6 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (13 replies)
[–] n3m37h@sh.itjust.works 66 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Lay off the coke man, talking to a computer isnt impressive when the average persons hydro bill goes up each month to support your bullshit

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] violentfart@lemmy.world 65 points 6 hours ago
[–] nightlily@leminal.space 59 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I don’t want to talk fluently with a computer, I want it to do things deterministically in a way I as a human being cannot. If I want a discussion, I have it with a human being.

[–] bagsy@lemmy.world 33 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Call me old fashoined, but i like my computers to do exactly what I yell them to do.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Prox@lemmy.world 45 points 8 hours ago

principalskinner.jpg

[–] ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 45 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

AI bros are beyond delusional.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] rudyharrelson@lemmy.radio 45 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I dunno if I'd say I'm "unimpressed" with AI. I certainly find the technology itself fascinating. I worked with machine learning for years before consumer generative AI became mainstream and it's profoundly impressive what decades of research and development have yielded. I genuinely do admire the painstaking work that underappreciated computer scientists have put in to make such things possible.

That said, "AI" is the new "blockchain" insofar as virtually every company on the S&P 500 has decided this is the new be-all-end-all feature that must be integrated into every aspect of every project. I don't need AI to be part of my OS. I will open a new tab in my web browser if I decide I have a task for it. Granted, I am not a representative sample of a typical computer user (I use GNU/Linux btw).

To say nothing of the unethical manner in which these models are trained, using works produced by actual writers, artists, programmers, etc. Obviously profiting from their works while offering zero compensation (and actively taking work away from them by offering AI as an alternative to their craft).

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 32 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

It's impressive, just not particularly useful, and certainly not something most people consider a priority.

Windows still takes forever to delete files, has a search indexer that makes laptops too hot to touch, steals focus while you're typing in a password, takes much longer than Linux to open a web browser, turns apps white and "Not responding" for no apparent reason, has an ugly and slow Start menu that doesn't foreground the things you want, pops up needless crap like stock tickers and news stories while you're trying to get on with other things, sneakily turns on settings you deliberately turned off, and hassles you continually to agree to things you already said no to. And it spies on you.

Microsoft, if you're looking to please users, those are all higher priorities for real users than any AI. But you're not looking to please users, are you? Because Windows is for Microsoft, not for users.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 45 points 7 hours ago

As has been said elsewhere about everything Microsoft is pulling:

If your LLM was worth using you wouldn't need to force anyone to use it.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 41 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

people are unimpressed with the ability to talk fluently with an AI computer.

I already communicate fluently with my computer. I double click an icon to communicate to my computer "open this". I type into a search field to communicate "find this string".

At no point do I want to communicate to my computer "log everything I do, then use those logs to give me something that isn't what I'm asking for."

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 38 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Pro tip: when your customers don’t like your product, it’s not their fault. It’s yours, and the appropriate response is not complaining or incredulity that people don’t like it. The appropriate response is to change the product or scrap it completely.

[–] T156@lemmy.world 14 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

"The customer is always right" might get misused a lot, but it is correct in this instance.

If a lot of your customers don't like something, it's not something wrong with the customers.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Harvey656@lemmy.world 38 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

He might be the dumbest ceo out there, and that is an impressive feat.

[–] Krudler@lemmy.world 29 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (3 children)

Nope. Ballmer is and always will be the all time king R. He's the dude that had MS pilot away from handheld devices because nobody will ever use cell phones. This was when MS was the only credible mobile OS. He oversaw Vista, he oversaw 8, both of which were complete disasters.

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] bytesonbike@discuss.online 36 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Same energy as when they pushed Kinect and Cortana as the future of computers.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 34 points 5 hours ago

Business Idiots. Ed Zitron wrote a whole thing about how many business leaders are out of touch with users and their own products. They live in their own little pocket dimension with each other, and only really care about shareholders.

[–] kn0wmad1c@programming.dev 33 points 3 hours ago

If you think you need to blame the people for not being impressed by your product, the problem isn't with the people.

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 28 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Doesn't understand the company's customers at all, sounds like maybe he's not cut out to be CEO. Also, yeah, I'm not impressed by your agentic BS that your own company is already warning may install malware.

[–] Archer@lemmy.world 16 points 6 hours ago

His customers are corporations. The public are just the rubes providing the gristle for AI

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 27 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

If he thinks the reaction was people not being impressed then it shows that CEOs are psychopaths who can’t relate to normal people.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 26 points 7 hours ago

"Why don't people like our user surveillance systems? they're so impressively good at invading your privacy!"

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 25 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

The harder they'll try to force feed it down their customer's throats by making it increasingly prominent and obnoxiously insisting in the interface, the more people will hate it.

How can Microsoft still not know that fact after doing it for over three decades is beyond me.

[–] dontsayaword@piefed.social 23 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

it's giving "Don't you guys have phones?"

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Manjushri@piefed.social 20 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I don't like your LLM because A) It's a piece of junk and I cannot trust it's answers, and B) It's designed and built by an organization focused solely on gathering every bit of data about me that it's possible to gather and use that information to squeeze every nickle out of me you can.

I honestly cannot think of a single reason why I, or anyone else, would want this crud built into anything other than toys, and even then I doubt it would end well.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] tabular@lemmy.world 20 points 5 hours ago

20 years ago I would have been excited: when Microsoft made Clippy to try and help people. Now we know you created this to harvest data.

I'm mind-blown that people feel no shame when data harvesting from computer illiterates, or programmers who write anti-features (like forced online accounts for a local OS).

[–] vane@lemmy.world 20 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

CEO, Microsoft AI
Microsoft · Full-time
Mar 2024 - Present · 1 yr 9 mos
Redmond, Washington, United States

but also

spoiler

The Economist logo
Non Executive Director
The Economist · Full-time
Jun 2019 - Present · 6 yrs 6 mos
Greater London, England, United Kingdom · Remote

a fucking newspaper guy, why they write about AI so much, you think ?

[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 19 points 5 hours ago

"I have a radical business strategy: Fuck our customers, and fuck what they want. It's going to be great. They'll love it. Or else."

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 17 points 7 hours ago

"I don't understand why people dislike this thing that works less than what was used previously and we keep forcing on our customers."

[–] Saltarello@lemmy.world 16 points 5 hours ago

I couldnt give a flying fuck what this clown thinks. My brand new Beelink EQ14 came with Win11. Its now running Ubuntu server

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 15 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

I can't recall ever liking almost every single comment in a post before, what a fucking rush.

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 15 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Determinism is generally a quality I look for in computers

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 15 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 14 points 7 hours ago

Suleyman says he's mind blown by the fact that people are unimpressed with the ability to talk fluently with an AI computer.

This message has been brought to you by Microsoft, for Linux Mint.

load more comments
view more: next ›