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What about similar oddities in English?
(This question is inspired by this comic by https://www.exocomics.com/193/ (link found by BunScientist@lemmy.zip)) Edit: it's to its in the title. Damn autocorrect.

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[–] wildncrazyguy138@fedia.io 68 points 1 month ago (5 children)

My wife and I had a good snicker one time when I brought home edamame peas in the shell.

They were shelled, but she wanted them shelled.

Flammable/imflammable is another one that comes to mind.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 62 points 1 month ago

As carved into history by Dr. Nick:

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago

English has many contronyms.

  • Clip: to attach (clip X to Y) or detach (clip coupons)
  • Dust: to remove dust or to add it (dust the cake with icing sugar)
  • Fine: excellent (fine wine) or not great but decent (it's fine)
  • Left: remaining (I have 5 left) or gone (I had some but they left)
  • Oversight: supervision (he had oversight over the whole process) or lack of supervision (I forgot to do that, it was an oversight)
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[–] EndOfLine@lemmy.world 65 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

Pretty sure the past tense of "lead" is actually "led."

Unless of course you're referring to the type of metal, lead, which I guess the meme isn't clear on.

[–] moondoggie@lemmy.world 51 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Pretty sure there’s a chemical element named “lead”

[–] _edge@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 month ago

I heard lead leads in weight.

[–] stinerman@midwest.social 6 points 1 month ago

Interesting if true.

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[–] leadore@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

It's not saying anything about past tenses in that meme, it's just saying that each word has two different pronunciations that rhyme with the other.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

What's not clear? It's written right there!

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[–] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

Bought, caught, taught, fought, thought, sought, and wrought are all past tense verbs and all rhyme. The present tense forms are buy, catch, teach, fight, think, seek, and work, none of which rhyme.

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[–] anothermember@feddit.uk 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fast can mean moving with great speed or fixed securely in place (among other things).

[–] zerodawn@leaf.dance 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The alarm went off so i turned it off.

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[–] afk_strats@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

The Chaos by Gerard Nolst Trenité (1922)

https://ncf.idallen.com/english.html

Dearest creature in creation
Studying English pronunciation,
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse and worse.

I will keep you, Susy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy;
Tear in eye, your dress you'll tear;
Queer, fair seer, hear my prayer.

Pray, console your loving poet,
Make my coat look new, dear, sew it!
Just compare heart, hear and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word.
...

Very long. Highly recommended

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (15 children)

It's because the people who set the rules for the English language, could barely speak it.

The first guy to popularize the printing press was Dutch, so the guy who bought England's first one didn't know how it worked and neither did any English speaker

So he hired a bunch of Dutch who knew how to operate it.

And they got a bunch of handwritten books and were told to mass reproduce them.

Sometimes it was a mistake in the original, sometimes the typesetter made a mistake. Sometimes the writer just disagreed with how it should be written, and sometimes even the typesetters who couldn't speak English made choices to change it

No one gave a fuck about accuracy, it was about pumping out as many books as possible. Because just owning a book was a huge status symbol still from when they were handwritten and crazy expensive.

But all those books eventually got read, and the people who learned to read them were very proud that they could read. So they insisted that all the random bullshit was intentional and had to be followed to a T by everyone forever.

Most other languages had a noble class who kept it sensical, but for a long ass time only peasants spoke English, the wealthy in England all spoke French, cuz they were French.

Anyways, that's why English doesn't make any sense. There was also a natural thing happening where vowel pronunciation was changing. So when the typecasters solidified everything, it was already in a state of flux. That's why pronunciation doesn't line up with spelling.

[–] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This also occurred in the middle of the Great Vowel Shift, a period when spoken English pronunciation was changing significantly.

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It certainly doesn't help that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.

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[–] SorryImLate@piefed.social 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The primary accent for 2-syllable words that are used as both a noun and a verb depends on the part of speech. The noun places the primary accent on the 1st syllable, the verb on the 2nd syllable.

Examples:
The musician records a record.
The farmer produces produce.
You're not permitted to fish without a permit.

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 11 points 1 month ago

Welcome to english, where rules are actually the exceptions

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

"Read" and "readed."

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Where, were, we're. Even native speakers have problems with this. I don't know how many times I had to correct such cases, especially with American authors.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Pretty much only native speakers have problems with this, I see this type of mistake far less frequently with those who learned English as an additional language.

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

Exactly. People with English as a second language go from meaning to writing. Native speakers go from sound to writing.

There, their, they’re is something native speakers confuse as well. I have only ever observed native speaker write should of instead of should‘ve or should have.

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[–] mapu@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I pronounce these all differently though? [wɛɹ], [wəɹ] and [wiɹ]

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

English has way more vowel sounds than it has vowels.

  • jack
  • barn
  • arena
  • ball
  • able
  • rare

Those are just words where the primary vowel letter is "a".

The terrible attempt to solve this is by using double letters, but then consistency goes out the window. There's times when "ea" is a single vowel sound like /rid/ (reed) or /rɛd/ (red). But it can also be /ɛrn/ as in earn, which rhymes with urn and burn. It can be /ˈɡɹeɪt/ as in great, where the "ea" is a diphthong and pronounced like the "a" in grate or vague. Or, for more fun, the two letters can each fully get their own pronunciation like "react" or "theatre".

We're really at the "bearn it all down and start over" stage with English. Let's just all agree to switch to español.

[–] _edge@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Present: read

Past: red (in the fediverse), redd (on the old site)

Obvious.

[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

“It has been red”.

So was the text red or has the text been read?

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[–] _edge@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Read" is spelled s-a-m-e? English is a weird language.

[–] WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Wait until you hear about how we pronounce colonel!

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 5 points 1 month ago

We pronounce it the same as the linux colonel.

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[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Lead and lead as well. I got a lead on those lead undergarments you wanted. I'll lead you there later.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

How did I get to the lead merchant? I was led here. But in the price negotiation, I took the lead.

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[–] BunScientist@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] 2piradians@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

On a different note there is Reading, a football club in UK, which is pronounced "Redding". This pronunciation is akin to the Reading Railroad from Monopoly (which I mispronounced all my life until today).

Little details, picked up along the way.

[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Reading is a place itself, the football club is the club for that place

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[–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The digraph oo is pronounced at least six different ways:

  • boot, proof, boost, scoop, moon
  • book, foot, look, cookie, good
  • floor, poor, door, moor
  • flood, blood
  • zoology, cooperative
  • brooch (just brooch; there doesn't seem to be any other word in the whole language using this sound for oo).
[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Are the first 2 lines really different?

Genuine question from a non native speaker.

[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

first line is a long oo, second line is a short oo.

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[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Brooch and mooch.

But, aren't these the same sounds as boot / proof / boost etc.?

[–] snapoff@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Brooch is pronounced like roach

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Reed and Red

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Reed, red. Homophones should be homographs too.

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[–] projektilski@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The English language is so retarded yet we use it for international communication, and it is too late to stop it.

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[–] xia@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 month ago

How about we go with reed and red... see, you already know how to pronounce them!

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago

I've never been a fan of read/read/red They're too popular to all be comingled like that.

Just place read/read with Peruse/Perused

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Wind as in air moving and wind as in a pathway with twists and turns.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

The comedic timing of this strip is actually really good.

[–] Zamboni_Driver@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

Read and readed

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