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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

There was a post about making cats vegan. The mod then decided that people posting information on why that is a bad idea were antivegan or something. The mod started then removing any information that pointed to cats not being able to be health while on a vegan diet. The Lemmy.world admins them stepped in stating that improperly feeding your cat constitutes animal abuse and is unethical. This made many die hard vegans very mad.

For the record, cats can not be vegan. They can survive on it but they will have shorter more painful lives and they will go blind. There bodies start breaking down without the proteins and amino acids found in meat. I understand why vegans would be unhappy with that answer but it is the way it is.

Interesting enough, that's not the case for dog. You can put a dog on a vegan diet as long as you are very careful and are constantly monitoring. It isn't for the faint of heart and can have very sad outcomes. It isn't something you can arbitrarily do.

[–] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's bizarre to me that harcore vegans want to own a pet to begin with. Keeping bees for honey is bad, but separating a kitten from its mother at an early age and castrating it for your convenience and deciding how they live (restricted to an apartment or not) is totally fine?

I understand that most pets live a good life, but man, I can't bring myself to make choices like these. I mean there are ways to circumvent it (get an older cat from an asylum for example) but it doesn't really remove the "pet dilemma" to me.

[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I knew a hardcore vegan girl like a decade ago when it was rather rare to see someone to that extreme, or at least to me. She said she feeds her cat only vegan food, and i was pretty sure that that's not a thing, but i didn't really know. Her roommate then told me that she goes through quite a lot of cats, because they either die or run away.

[–] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

Most people I know adopt from rescue shelters and all the vegans I know do that, often even focusing on pets that are somewhat "disadvantaged" regarding getting adopted, i.e. disabled or chronically ill animals. They go to an animal shelter not primarily with the wish of having a pet but providing a better life for an animal (because let's face it, even the best-intentioned shelters are understaffed and underfunded).

[–] PixellatedDave@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I am a vegan. While my dogs were alive they ate meat as well as veggies. It seems to me that a lot of vegans don't realise that it's a scale and not binary. The whole philosophy of veganism is "as much as you are able" so I guess there is extremism everywhere.

I understand why vegans would be unhappy with that answer but it is the way it is.

I don't. Veganism is about the fact that humans can live without animal products, which is true. Not accepting that actual carnivores exist, even being unhappy with this means you're well in extremist nutjob territory.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I'm vegan and I don't know why these "vegans" are towing the line to to include non-human species. It's just as gross for vegan humans to apply their values to values in a dominant manner as it is for non-vegans to. Literally vegans doing this is antithesis to the entire cause.

I'm glad they got slapped. You'll always have idiots in a movement I guess...

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Disclaimer that I'm not even a vegan but you're spreading disinfo here to make vegans seem completely unreasonable. I suggest anyone check out the actual discussions instead of trusting this summary.

[–] Exatron@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cats are obligate carnivores, sparky. That means they can't be vegan.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know enough about that topic to argue for or against which is not what I'm trying to argue

[–] Lightor@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You don't know enough about the topic to argue but claim someone else is spreading misinformation.

Well if you don't know the topic but are making claims like this then it seems like you may be the one spreading misinformation.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree.

I'm not a expert so you should read up on it. The problem is that the vegan community was only allowing random studies saying how cats were healthier on a vegan diet. None of those papers were peer reviewed or all that credible. On the other side there is tons of research and articles written by actual experts that say it is a bad idea. I looked it up before making this comment.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago

Ye I don't particularly agree that one should try to make vegetarian cats myself either and I also think it's not coop to simply delete opposing research which doesn't mean match one's worldview (so long as the research is not flawed). But I also understand and can painfully see how embattled vegan ideas and spaces are which explains them being extra defensive

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Vegans argued that cats, which are obligate carnivores, can eat a vegan diet safely. Lemmy.world admin removed the posts for being misinformation, and the vegan community threw a fit over it.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ask your vet what they think about a vegan diet for your pets. They will tell you "no". That should really be the end to the discussion, but I guess these guys think they know better than actual experts.

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's so sad, because veganism is a good force in our culture. Look at all of the vegan meat alternatives and more and more restaurants that have to have at least vegetarian options in certain areas. That wasn't a thing 20 years ago.

Vegan diets help the environment and improve health. But many vegans get this brain rot, probably a consequence of a superiority complex where they have to police everything around them. It happens in a lot of communities.

I'm not a vegan. But the idea has me eating less and less meat every year.

[–] Zier@fedia.io 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think people confuse the Political Based Vegan lifestyle and the Dietary Plant-based Vegan. They are not the same. Most people hate the political wing because they just cannot shut up. I do not want to be subjected to your religion, and you are not helping the animals you claim to. Dietary people just choose healthier options for themselves and don't evangelize to others.

[–] Teppichbrand@feddit.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This checks the Vegan Bullshit Bingo:
Calling veganism a religion sounds like an attempt at discrediting it as unreasonable and irrational, just to not seriously deal with it. As veganism is based on facts, logic and common sense, it is the exact opposite of a religion. Consuming animal products though, mostly means blindly following irrational traditions and ignoring the facts or refusing them by reasoning: "That's how we've always done it". That sounds more like a religion to me...

[–] umbraroze@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Apropos of nothing - a few months ago I was looking at one of the sites that curated Fediverse block lists. (Can't remember which one.)

Now some of the blocks were quite reasonable. If a hundred site admins look at your site and go "wait a second, these guys are Nazis" and block the site, that's not so controversial, OK?

But some of the blocks were, uh, how do I put this...?

Individual drama between site admins and their cliques.

Beef.
So much beef.
So much beef that I immediately thought "gee, how can c/vegan even safely exist in Lemmy? There's so much beef everywhere."

[–] recklessengagement@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Until I joined Lemmy I had no idea how militant vegans could be. I sorta just assumed they were a different brand of vegetarian.

I'm not opposed to their ideaology in any way, but after reading the comments on a few posts that found their way into my feed... I had to block their communities. It didn't seem likely that I'd be reading any productive discourse there.

[–] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I was vegan for 8 years and during that time I didn't talk to anyone about it other than to say, "I don't eat that."

I say that to say this - vegans are insufferable and a large reason why I quit the community and went back to omnivore. Even after 8 years, other vegans were still 'more vegan' and would nitpick the dumbest stuff.

"Bro, did you eat a date? That killed a bee or something. Not cool."

Shut up with that. Let me eat my damn fruit.

I was healthier though. But, to be fair, I was younger.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 1 year ago

"Bro, did you eat a date? That killed a bee or something. Not cool.”

I'm a level 5 vegan. I won't eat anything that casts a shadow.

[–] Teppichbrand@feddit.org -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

As you might have experienced, it's pretty hard to be vegan in a carnist world. People talk about animal abuse all the time, they confront you all the time, make fun of you. Most don't want to talk about it, they want to shut you up. The hate and ignorance is strong and different people react diffrently to that situation. Some stay quiet, like yourself, some get vocal. Some debate, some get angry. Calling vegans insufferable is like calling gays insufferable, or feminists. Some might be. We have recognized a major injustice and we want to change it.

"Bro, did you eat a date? That killed a bee or something. Not cool."

That's rage bait and you made it up. Why would anyone say that?

[–] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey bud you really need to get off the cross. You just compared your eating preferences which are 100% a choice to someone being born homosexual and not wanting to be killed for it or being born/transitioning to a woman and wanting the same basic human rights as the other half of our species. Honestly you need to just shut up and think about that for a hot second.

[–] Teppichbrand@feddit.org -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I oppose racism, sexism, trans- and homophobia. And I oppose speciesism as well. It's the same system: One group considers another group as less valuable and exploits, abuses or fights them.
You just draw the line at you own species.
Animals are innocent, vulnerable and easy to abuse because they don't have a voice and don't understand the situation we put them in. If they were human children or mentally disabled humans, we would protect them from harm because of who they are. Instead, we do the most horrible things to them, we take their freedom, their babies, their lifes. In factories, on an industrial scale. Because a pig is just a pig, right?

EDIT: Please reply, don't just silently downvote. What's your refutation?

[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Censorship of dissidence discussions due to "misinformation," "disinformation," and only allowing "science."

Our science institutions and media are just as corrupt as our politicians; that is why critical thinking should be encouraged instead of more censorship to baby the people. 

[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Keeping predatory grifters away from health discourse is on a different level than discussions of differing opinions.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This person you’re replying to is basically Lemmy’s Goebbels.

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So slightly right of Stalin? We know how you love to name call people

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t understand your comment, can you explain it please?

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You like to call people names. I've seen you around, you do it a bit more often than most.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t recognize you, what communities do you frequent?

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com -1 points 1 year ago

You can just check my post history, it's public. But I mainly just go around on /all

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Know how to tell someone is a Vegan?

They'll tell you. Immediately, and never, ever shut up about it. Ever.