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I am absolutely done giving grace to these vermin. My energy is not limitless, and I’m saving it for people that matter.

I do not support political violence, be that direct or systemic.

He did.

It's mathematics.

If you are responsible for more bad than good in the world, it's not sad when you die.

I'm happy he's not spewing hate anymore. However, I abhor (and denounce) how that came to pass and remain genuinely disgusted at the sick, bloodthirsty mob social media turns into when shit like this happens (or attempted happens).

I am very much not an "ends justify the means" kind of person and firmly believe that kind of logic is extremely dangerous.

How does this make me feel? Well, disgusted. Disgusted that there's more gun violence in the world, disgusted that people are cheering it on, and disgusted with pretty much everyone's knee-jerk takes on the matter. I can forgive celebrating his passing as dark humor / gallows humor. I can even understand laughing at the schadenfreude due to the guy's stance on exactly this kind of thing. But for people to be praising the suspect or calling for more is firmly crossing the line into psychopath territory.

Again, the ends do not justify the means.

I can feel in my bones that the other shoe is about to drop, and all these people salivating over the bloodshed are not going to be happy when it does. Violence only begets more violence, and people need to understand that and not be cheering it on.

Someone spending most of their life trying to get people together and preaching love, tolerance and empathy getting assassinated, such as MLK, is a tragedy.

Someone spending most of their life doing the exact opposite of that getting assassinated, such as with Kirk, is not a tragedy.

I went to a bar to have a drink when it happened. I will always drink to dead Nazis

Political violence is terrible. Kirk was a piece of shit who helped make political violence inevitable. He got what he deserved, and I'm jubilant at his death, even as I'm devastated at what our country has become.

The main thing I take away from this is how soft people have become since the corporate sanitization of the web. That video was tame compared to stuff that regularly made the rounds even ten years ago. The way people talk about it, you'd think it was a drug cartel video.

I really could care less either way.

My pet peeve is people who say this expression wrong, because it's not only slightly mispronounced, but entirely turned on it's head to mean the exact opposite of its intention. This reversal of meaning seems clear, so I'm not sure why the error is so prolific, though it does seem more of a thing in other countries like the USA, not so much here.

It's "couldn't care less", not "could care less". You're trying to say "I care so little that it is not possible for me to care any less than I do already".

Instead, by saying you "could care less", you are being ambiguous about how much you care, but confirming that you care at least a little bit (or possibly due to the ambiguity it's the most important thing in your life and you care so, so much).

Sorry if I sound grouchy, it's just something that's bugged me for a long time and here at 5am is when I decided to finally say something about it, haha. No shade on you personally though, as the hip youths would say! :-D

To divide people, families, friends, colleagues, etc is exactly the point of what I consider to be a human sacrifice on the altar of the alt-right. Don't worry, already got my tin foil hat ready but anything to take attention away from the real culprits of misery for most: the super rich, political "elite" and corporations

I treat charlie by his own views. Empathy is bad. A few deaths are just the price of having the second amendment. Families should bring their kids to witness public executions. Im sure I will find out more of his views but I definitely plan to judge him by his own yardstick.

I'm scared about the blowback.

It was inevitable that eventually somebody would 'fight back' somehow.

Now we have to deal with how all the idiots act, react and overreact.

It won't be pretty, but again, it was inevitable.

The day of, when it happened, I watched the video... and then had to literally touch grass, walk it off, get some fresh air.

Wife got home, wanted to see it, had the same reaction.

I just don't like watching people die, no matter who it is. But now and then I gaze into the void deliberately.

Similar to Andrew Breitbart, or Rush Limbaugh.

"And nothing of value was lost."

I didn't really know anything about him until after I heard he died. And shortly after that, I heard that three kids died in another school shooting.

I don't give a fuck about Charlie. I'm pissed that he's getting a flag at half mast and those three children and all the children that came before only get thoughts and prayers.

Hard to give a fuck about the murder of some rich white hate monger when, on average, 28 innocent kids get shot and die in Palestine every day.

Rightists have spent decades building and nurturing a fascist culture. Fascism has well defined and recognizable traits, including machismo, action for actions sake, weapon obsession, derision of pacifism and diversity and science, dying a hero, and demonizing out groups and dissenters.

Violence is the end result. They use fear of violence to seize control, while stoking and promoting violence among their followers, which results in perpetuation of real violence, which creates an escalating cycle of violence. There is a reason that almost all shooters are radicalized rightists. It is because their culture has carefully groomed those traits into them.

On the flip side, leftist violence erupts only when people are pushed far beyond their breaking point. We are not there yet, but the rightists have escalated the cycle of violence to levels where we are getting close.

Charlie Kirk was a victim of his own rhetoric, his own political violence, and his own stochastic terrorism. I weep for the world, because his hateful, dangerous, violent ideals will live long into the future even without him. And with a false martyrdom narrative now in place, many other hateful, violent terrorists will spring up to further accelerate the cycle of violence, fascism, and oppression.

We are all fucked. Not just the US, the world.

Live by the sword, die by the sword. Call for political violence, and you don't have much room to complain when you get got

Political violence isn't good, but it's a symptom. One he called for explicitly

I feel bad for his kids... But daddy was a shitstain of a human being. I could say so much more of the dead, but I'll leave it at that

I don’t support murder, but when people who do call for it like checks notes Charlie Kirk get murdered, I’ll enjoy the irony.

There are some people who the world would be better off without. Can anyone honestly say the US would be a worse place now if Trump had been killed instead of “wounded” at his own shooting?

I won't miss Charlie Kirk. I'm sad for the people who were there and witnessed a horrific public murder. I am exhausted and numbed to all this gun violence and I'm especially tired of the right wing bullshit about gun rights. I'm confounded and baffled by the bizarre depths of alt-right internet subculture. I'm profoundly disappointed and disillusioned by the state of the United States, but neither am I the least bit shocked. I fear for the deeper divide the next generation faces as fanatical parents drive their children to extremism as others quietly steer theirs towards acceptance, empathy, and inclusiveness.

Charlie Kirk was objectively a garbage human being. I will not mourn him. But nobody should be fucking murdered. The violence and hatred coming from the right is fucking insane and intolerable. We're being led by sycophants, liars, sociopaths, and incompetent grifters hell bent on upending the entire structure of our ordered existence so they can rebuild it into something nightmarish and dystopian. We're in the endgame now. The Democrats do not have a time machine.

I'm not divided. This is a republican on Republican crime. Fuck them, let them eat themselves for all I care.

Kirk was human, death is bad. I don’t want to be shot either. Period.

I don’t care that he’s dead, personally. Democrat senators were shot and people mocked it, so it only makes me feel reluctant to give a shit. Plus minorities get killed by cops, kids get killed in schools, etc. I weigh their souls more than some hateful asshole.

This just gives the current administration more ammunition to do whatever they want. And that makes me tired and sad.

A self-elected mouthpiece that thrives on spreading hatred that has cause immerse damage and suffering for innocent people is shot by one of his own people. He died by consequence of the violence he was promoting against others.

The only ones I sympathise with are his children because they didn't choose their parents and they will have his legacy on their shoulders. His wife and his friends and colleagues and his followers can go fuck themselves ass to eye with a spork.

Here's a timeline to consider

Trump dined with Fuentes - the groyper king. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/25/trump-white-nationalist-nick-fuentes-kanye-00070825

Kirk urged trump to release the files and everything https://www.newsweek.com/jeffrey-epstein-files-update-charlie-kirk-trump-message-2099999

loomer (a groyper) says kirk is unloyal https://www.rawstory.com/charlie-kirk-laura-loomer/

I'm honestly tired. I've been having feelings of impending doom, and none of this shit is going to slow down. The divide gets bigger each day, and by the looks of our leadership, no one has a goddamn clue about what to do.

I think the people that have been salivating for violence are about to start getting some of that violence they've wanted, and they're not ready for it.

I'm not American, so this is an outside perspective I guess. I had never heard of Charlie Kirk before he was shot, and it's been interesting watching it all play out. Ring wing leap to assuming it was a leftist attack, with a huge amount of violent rhetoric; suspect arrested & turns out to be from conservative background; trickle of suggestions he might be further to the right of Kirk.

I've learned a new word: Groyper.

Meanwhile in the UK we've got a kind of fascism-lite going on, with a "socialist" party in charge that's leaning to the right of Thatcher in order to attract the votes of bigots. There's a massive right-wing rally going on in London right now, with a couple of anti-fascist, anti-racist counter protests as well. https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2025/sep/13/aerial-footage-shows-scale-of-unite-the-kingdom-rally-video

People get killed all the time, he isn't special and you would be too emotionally drained if you got upset over every death that ever happened.

I actually don't care about Kirk, or any murdered politician for that matter. I'll laugh at the memes because comedy is pretty much all we have left to cope with the shit state of many things.

Put down the thought of what's right, what's wrong...

Yeah, I can't do that. I refuse to celebrate his death but I don't mourn it either. He was an evil man who died in a horrible way.

That's as far as my thoughts go on the subject.

Never heard of him before he died. He was obviously a cunt of the highest degree. In my country he would have been a right wing extremist and probably been canceled by most serious organizations. In the USA his views are apparently so normal that he got assassinated by someone that thought he was too much of a lefty?

I don't care about him at all tbh. We get news of Americans killing each other everyday, I don't see how he is much different from all the other murder victims. Because he had a stage and a following? Apparently he hated emphaty so I'm considering dishonering him by being emphatic..

How fucked up can a nation be? I would mourn my country if I was US American. Since I'm not all I can do is shake my head aphaty and think "oh well, they'll just continue doing whatever they're doing over there"

I feel bad for everything his family has had to endure over the past 31 long years. I hope they find comfort in the knowledge that his days of actively bringing shame upon them are over and they can start putting the whole Charlie debacle behind them.

Killing is wrong, period.

Also, i won't lose any sleep over his absence.

Dare i say... You reap what you sow?

Rolling eyes at all the people that will just not admit they want to kill democrats, gays, blacks, trans, ect and will take any excuse regardless of how illogical it is. Also, it happened the same day they voted down the Epstein files release. If that man would not have been assassinated, the Republican party would be ruined right now. His death is the only reason it will survive.

I don't personally feel bad that he is dead. The world is probably a better place without him in it. However, I'm disturbed by how gleeful some people are about his death. It shows how callous and radicalized people have become. I know a lot of people will jump in and say it's rhe right's fault things have gotten so radicalized, but that's missing the point. Taking a life should never be easy.

I mean, sure, it's mostly edgy people talking tough online. Give them Charlie Kirk in a dark alleyway and hand them a gun and 99% of them wouldn't pull the trigger. But that social media environment does produce killers, and the kind of people it pushes over the edge tend to not be very stable and their actions tend to be pretty horrific. Probably the most famous Lemmy user to date is the man who bombed the fertility clinic. Let's hope it stays that way.