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[–] False@lemmy.world 171 points 3 days ago (7 children)

People hated immigrants DURING the time period you're thinking of. And it wasn't always a skin color thing either, the Irish were one of the big targets for a long time.

[–] jqubed@lemmy.world 77 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Italians were also targeted. Being from a Catholic country was sometimes enough to get targeted. Always found it funny (Woody Allen marriage funny, not Woody Allen film funny) that the Protestants who came to what is now Massachusetts seeking “religious freedom” meant it only for themselves and drove out anyone who didn’t subscribe to their views.

[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 25 points 3 days ago

You need to put it in context, many if not most of the denominations that came to America seeking religious freedom did so because continental Christians considered them extremists. So yes, they were seeking it only for themselves.

[–] floo@retrolemmy.com 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The term “black Irish” didn’t come from nowhere

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's a term? What's it mean, besides identifying someone as black and Irish? O.o

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago

That isn't what it means at all. It has nothing to do with the Irish skin color.

Blacks were hated for being black for so long that when new people came to America and got the same hate and racism. They were just "black".

Black is being used here as just a catch all term for "not real white people". Irish weren't considered white for decades.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

And it wasn’t always a skin color thing either, the Irish were one of the big targets for a long time.

Irish, Slavs and Italians were not considered white, so ... it's still a "where is the migration from" kinda thing

[–] Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 days ago

There was a reason businesses would put a sign out front that said "NINA". No Irish Need Apply.

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 100 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Everything can be summarized in one Chinese idiom (成语):
过河拆桥

Aka: Crossing the river, then dismantle the bridge.
You're already crossed it, why care about the bridge, you wont be using it anymore.

[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 56 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They pull up the ladder behind them

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[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

So like burning your bridges in English? Although I guess that's more for people. Maybe more like pulling up the ladder behind you.

[–] lemmyng@piefed.ca 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The English version is "I got mine, fuck you."

Also applies to immigrant minorities who them vote conservative to keep other immigrants out.

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[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I think how "burning bridges" is generally used refers to not leaving yourself a way out. However in this case we're talking about not leaving others a way in.

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[–] TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I love Chinese four letter aphorisms and I'm glad you shared this one but i dont think this really answers the when or the why 😛

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[–] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 60 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Within a single generation. My grandfather showed up here at 11 from Romania. Never became a US citizen. His son, my father, is a rabid anti-immigrant racist Fox News fan boy. It's disgusting. Ironically my mother's great-great grandmother lost her birthright citizenship by marrying a Finnish immigrant before the 14th amendment existed and had to reapply for her own citizenship along with her husband because women's status was tied to the male head of household at the time, and now he rants about how birthright citizenship is wrong, despite being the exact person who benefits from it.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

His son, my father, is a rabid anti-immigrant racist Fox News fan boy.

Ding!

Ask not for whom the right-wing propaganda tolls, rest-of-the-world, it tolls for thee

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 53 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Anti-immigrant sentiment is nearly universal across human cultures. It's a form of tribalism/fear of "the other". Just look at the backlash against arab refugees in Germany and Sweden, or the relatively recent tightening of Canada's immigration policy which used to be one of the most liberal in the world, for modern examples. Historic examples are even easier to find.

In general, we see more anti-immigrant sentiment in a country due to (a) the general population feeling insecure for some reason, (b) the perception that immigrants are immigrating faster than they are integrating.

When times are good and people feel secure, they look back at the past and say to themselves "look at how great our society is - we welcome people from all over the world, and now we have korean-mexican fusion. Yay, us!" But then when times get harder and people feel less secure, they say "these goddamned Nigerians keep coming here and taking all our video-editing and corporate accounting jobs! And they chew with their mouths open and have annoying laughs. And on top of that, their food isn't even that good. They're the worst, stop letting them in!"

Immigration is part of the mythologizing of the United States, but that doesn't except it from the great overarching trends of humanity.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 36 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Because their lives are shit and they need somebody to blame.

The right will accept a boot on their face as long as they've got a face on which to rest their own boot.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 32 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Here's a wiki article about the topic, because it would be a bit much to list it all out in a lemmy comment:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nativism_in_United_States_politics#History

The TLDR is though that its existed since before the country even became independent.

[–] TheFlopster@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago

Mostly personal opinion incoming, with a few facts mixed in: I think the message on the Statue of Liberty was what the best of us at the time wanted the majority of us to be. I'm not sure we ever were.

First we get the Puritans, wiping out Native Americans, and trying to push their religion on everyone.

Then you get the slave trade, which is not immigration, but a large influx of a new population regardless, that was suddenly a problem for some when those people were free and citizens.

Then you get the Ellis Island years. Immigrants would get here, get sucked into "the American dream" of capitalism (which can help only very specific people), then want to close the door behind them. That way none of the new, filthy immigrants from (insert ethnic/religious group of your choice) could get the same advantages. But everyone kept coming.

Now, in power due to the way everything got handled (badly) after our civil war, you have a combination of the religious right, who want christianity to continue to be number one, and the racists, who want to make sure their daughter doesn't sleep with anyone who's the wrong color. They were always here, festering in the background, but now they've gained power, and they're louder than before.

The rest of us are still here, suffering, watching the country we were told was great reveal its ugliest population to everyone. I'm left wondering if we were ever a country who actually wanted immigrants. Or if it was merely aspirational.

[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

Its called "ladder pulling".

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The US has always had an anti-immigrant streak. Whoever the last group are they are unhappy with the next group. The Irish were not welcome, except by Tammany Hall, then the Italians were suspect. The Chinese have always been seen as suspicious and we all know what happened to the Japanese in WW2. Interestingly those of German descent haven't been suspect, probably because they formed a large chunk of the US (PA, OH) and Eisenhower had German ancestry.

I doubt any country has never had an issue with someone seen as outsiders.

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[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

One way the wealthy and powerful stay that way is by constantly promoting the narrative that it's those poorer than you who are your enemy, not the bosses who starve you both.

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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 20 points 2 days ago

General population was always anti immigrant but the ruling class was smart enough to understand they needed immigration to sustain the growth. What changed is that everyone got so dumb they don't know what's in their best interest anymore.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A large majority of 'anti-immigrant' people wouldn't care if say, a French person immigrated into their country. When these people say immigrants, most of the time they mean people of color.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Yes. It's a polite way of being racist with most. And if they are asked, they say "I can't be racist [so and so] is my friend and they are black" or some dumb shit.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago

Yeah, sorry OP.

Racism has always and will always be a part of America's identity. I'd go so far as to say I think it's part of human nature, given how pervasive and common it's been throughout all of human history.

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The "fuck you, I got mine" mindset aka FYIGM or getting first dibs.

That is, kicking out the ladder or destroying bridges or cutting off reach so that no one else is getting what one has achieved. Like, "I got first, you're getting nothing!"

[–] devolution@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

America was never accommodating. The only thing immigrants had in common was hating black people.

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[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 13 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The US is not anti immigrant.

There's a few greedy white people with lots of money who bought the media and the elections who are anti-immigrant.

Don't confuse policy with popular sentiment.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The vast majority of people who lean right are not individually as hateful as youtube and social media and most of the content algorithmically fed to us would have us believe.

Do they say horrible things around each other? Yes, they ramp up the rhetoric and make it seem like they're absolute super-villains at times... but what we really miss in all this is how shallow their values are. They are not complicated people. They go with the popular sentiment but are so comfortable living in a state of cognitive dissonance that they will work all day with a team of black and hispanic coworkers, get along great, consider them true, best friends... then go home and upvote the most racist shit you've ever seen on facebook because it makes them laugh. They simply cannot make comparisons or connections the way the other ~66% of the population does, so they don't see things like hypocrisy or inconsistency. They don't see larger pictures. They don't understand the concept of punching down.

As a group, they are our country's biggest problem, a menace, a scourge upon the Earth who are enabling the worst, most malicious people to engage in plans of oppression we haven't seen in a century.

But as individuals, we could reach almost each of them. They're stupid enough to believe whatever we tell them and we're afraid of them. The math is broken.

We have to get more social, we have to get more confrontational, we have to get less isolated.

I will get some rando lefties screaming at me that they don't want to "compromise with their oppressors" and that's fine. Don't. I'm not making you personally, and if you get that insinuation that I'm telling you personally to do something traumatic, you're part of the problem. For everyone else, I've changed the hearts of people with apparently "set in" bigotry simply by listening and talking to them. It's not jedi mind magic, it's just a skill that comes from engaging with people in real life.

[–] CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I get what you’re going for, but it’s hard to believe that when said billionaires’ propaganda campaign was so easily and eagerly adopted by the majority of one of our political party bases. Including some of our own family members who had never openly expressed such sentiments before.

Propaganda is powerful, but can it make you suddenly, deeply believe something you weren’t already secretly feeling?

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[–] caltex777@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There are a few greedy people who figure out that no one will notice them picking folks pockets if they distract them with racism.

[–] Jack_Burton@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

Lyndon B. Johnson

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 11 points 3 days ago

As soon as they settled down and thought, now they have got something to loose.

[–] InfiniteHench@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

When the rich figured out that our innate tribalism could be weaponized to distract us from their abuse, lawlessness, and greed.

[–] Steve@communick.news 8 points 3 days ago

Blaming immigrants is classic political trope.
Right along with blaming the poor.

Even when the nation was welcoming immigrants, handing them a weapon, and shoving them to the front line. They were being denigrated and demonized by other Americans.

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

When immigrants from the "wrong" country started applying.

What is the wrong country? What ever the media says it currently is.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

See the 1947 US Army video: “Don’t be a Sucker”:

https://archive.org/details/DontBeaS1947

It’s always been a hypocritical ideal. Even the US Military acknowledged our xenophobic tendencies, and the constant struggle against them. And slowly doing better. That’s the point.


…But I think the radical shift of the “attention economy” is what makes it feel like the ideal is finally collapsing. The population is sucked into doomscrolling Fox News (for example) at such scale that makes this US Army video feel quaint.

If they published the same thing today, no one would even notice. There’s too much noise. And that is unprecedented.

[–] switcheroo@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

When stupid and hateful took over all three branches of government and runs unopposed...

[–] ChetManly@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

I mean they blare "brown man make your life bad" 24/7 on state tv

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Sigmund Freud's work, and those who built upon it after his death, proved humans are very very very very easy on a large sample size to mislead.

Theres even a phrase "you are not immune to propaganda."

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 6 points 3 days ago

Owner class wants cheap slaves... But they don't want to be blamed for it.

So they got Indigenous population to blame the new slaves while owners exploit both. That wage growth since 1970s speaks for itself.

Indigenous Americans are just useful idiots fighting culture wars. They should know better but propaganda be good!

[–] count_dongulus@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Anti-immigrant sentiment in the US has been a thing for hundreds of years. It was commonly called "nativism". Consider watching Scorcese's "Gangs of New York" for a (fictionally dramatized) depiction of it in times past.

As for why mass deportations are possible today - - until the late 1800s, immigration to the US was essentially unregulated. The Chinese Exclusion Act and later systems of quotas and literacy tests introduced around the turn of the 20th century instituted the first national immigration policies.

I frankly don't find it unfair or unreasonable that the US government's executive branch has chosen to enforce existing immigration laws for political gain. Americans should change their immigration laws if they get upset when they're actually enforced. If anything, the executive branch was utterly failing to enforce laws that representatives had placed and kept on the books for a long time. If you want more immigrants, make it easy and legal to receive more immigrants without tests, long wait periods, or country of origin quotas.

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[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago

Lead and propaganda.

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