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Claire*, 42, was always told: “Follow your dreams and the money will follow.” So that’s what she did. At 24, she opened a retail store with a friend in downtown Ottawa, Canada. She’d managed to save enough from a part-time government job during university to start the business without taking out a loan.

For many years, the store did well – they even opened a second location. Claire started to feel financially secure. “A few years ago I was like, wow, I actually might be able to do this until I retire,” she told me. “I’ll never be rich, but I have a really wonderful work-life balance and I’ll have enough.”

But in midlife, she can’t afford to buy a house, and she’s increasingly worried about what retirement would look like, or if it would even be possible. “Was I foolish to think this could work?” she now wonders.

She’s one of many millennials who, in their 40s, are panicking about the realities of midlife: financial precarity, housing insecurity, job instability and difficulty saving for the future. It’s a different kind of midlife crisis – less impulsive sports car purchase and more “will I ever retire?” In fact, a new survey of 1,000 millennials showed that 81% feel they can’t afford to have a midlife crisis. Our generation is the first to be downwardly mobile, at least in the US, and do less well than our parents financially. What will the next 40 years will look like?

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[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Good post, but we really need to get out of the generational thinking.

I know rich and poor boomers. I know rich and poor millenials, and gen X/Z.

It's a class struggle. Always has been.

Stop making it a generational battle. That only serves to divide the working class.

Yes, there is racism, ageism, sexism. We should debate those things and improve, but we can't let those things divide us politically.

And since I'm ranting, let me end with a solution. We need to find themes that help all of us.

So perhaps we should say: for example, everyone with less than $1M in wealth gets a $20K tax deduction.

Who could oppose that? It doesn't benefit home owners vs. renters. It doesn't benefit students vs. retirees. It doesn't benefit city dwellers vs. rural. Or white vs. black.

But it does benefit the class who owns nothing and gives them a better chance to own something.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

Good post, but we really need to get out of the generational thinking.

I know rich and poor boomers. I know rich and poor millenials, and gen X/Z.

It's a class struggle. Always has been.

As I said somewhere else, it is not that boomers are rich. It's just ~~all~~ most rich are boomers.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 9 months ago (10 children)

Stop making it a generational battle. That only serves to divide the working class.

That's difficult when a lot of the news media is owned by *checks notes.... the Capital class... and they have vested interest in keeping the conversation about a generational battle.

But yes, 100% agreed. The problem is we're all commenting on news articles that will never stop presenting it that way.

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[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 1 points 9 months ago

Who could oppose that?

I think you know who... there is one class that seems to go FAR out of their way to control the conversation to the end of "there is no class struggle" (or even "there is no such thing as class"?).

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[–] extremeboredom@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

LOL I'm never retiring. I've already accepted that I'll be working until I'm dead. There are those who get dealt the right cards and will get to retire comfortably. I'm just not one of them.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (5 children)

My wife has a job with an awesome pension and as a result there is basically no situation she will ever leave. I pointed out to her that the golden handcuffs are still golden.

One day some MBAs are going to learn that if you don't want constant turn over you give workers a pension so great they would crawl over their mother's corpse to get it.

What am I saying? MBAs learning? Hahaha I love being silly.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

I searched what MBA actually means. Fuck that shit. Degree in "Business Administration" sounds like degree in praying. Wait, there is one! Fuck!

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

One day some MBAs are going to learn that if you don't want constant turn over you give workers a pension so great they would crawl over their mother's corpse to get it.

Plus, modern MBAs see turnover as a good things because it makes the short-term investors happy.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)
[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 9 months ago

This is an appropriate reaction, in my opinion. Modern economic philosophy is entirely myopic with no apparent perceived value in anything beyond the next quarter. From that perspective, if your employees have already created value and you've budgeted more than severance would cost (or think you can get away with constructive dismissal), then, for the quarter, getting rid of employees looks like a financial positive.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

For some, you get the Jack Walsh thinking that some employees are going to be statistically bad performers, so it is good to get rid of them.

You also have other cases where lowering the time to train means you can expand faster since you don't need to find quality staff. The original McDonald's trained its staff to be able to be high output restaurants. The business model changed to needing less worker training to help fuel expansion.

You also have the case where some managers believe some jobs only require a commodity level labor. At that point, there is no value in training.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

So tired of hearing that shitstain's name. I admit there is some wisdom to the up or out approach. You know for very very high level workers. Like C-suite or a rank below. Doing it across the company just promises misery and failure.

[–] maniclucky@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Sociopathy, lack of long term planning skills, drugs (metaphorical and physical). Some combination of those I suspect.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 1 points 9 months ago

Wasn’t there a study that said MBAs don’t have object permanence nor a real conscious understanding of the passage of time?

Money today. That’s all these businesses understand.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (7 children)

The next forty years will look like absolute hell and the lack of proper services for the explosive number of diseases in the millennial cohort will directly contribute.

  1. Milliennials by and large don't have enough money to retire, and they are experiencing in striking numbers high rates of immunodeficiency and cancers. (I was personally diagnosed with cancer at 42. You know, the ultimate answer to life the universe and everything...) This will mean they will need more elder care and sooner... and they won't really be able to afford it.

  2. No Child Left Behind has properly fucked US education for the foreseeable future, and US education was abysmal before that already. The elderly are going to be being taken care of by adults who may be functionally illiterate and when you're functionally illiterate, you can become anti-vax even if you got hired as caretaker for the elderly. (Not all will grow up to be functionally illiterate, but if we're to take teachers at their word, the gap between the struggling kids and the smart kids is wider than ever. As in C students functionally don't exist, only A students and F students, and the F students are the larger group who are being passed on to higher grades just to hit numbers.)

  3. On top of education being gutted and there being a dangerous future of incapable people being put in these jobs because there's no one else to do them: The collapse in birth rate because nobody can afford to have fucking kids will also make this problem worse as fewer and fewer workers will be available to take care of more and more elderly and infirm people.

  4. Most of the places that take care of the elderly are being bought up at rapid pace by investment groups, private equity, hedge funds, and the like, and all they do is cut services, make things worse, and cause more suffering and death so they can wring more money out of people suffering at the end of their lives. How many of these businesses will even still exist in 20 years? Many of them are shutting down constantly because the numbers just don't add up, or because the private equity group that bought it has finished hollowing it out and there's simply no money left.

  5. Because of all of this, we will see an absolute explosion of homelessness in the elderly.

  6. You can bet your ass fuck-nothing will be done to prevent any of this. Especially if Trump wins in November, then we're dealing with this process outright accelerating at a breakneck pace.

  7. Oh and just for "fun" we can expect to see a lot more police violence against poverty-striken old people. "STOP RESISTING OLD MAN!"

EDIT: Oh yeah, and that's not even counting climate change, finite amounts of topsoil left, potential pandemics, and the fact that most of the world doesn't even have access to clean water. I try to keep an eye on neat, simple engineering projects from poor countries because we may need to rely on similar options soon enough ourselves.

EDIT II: Get involved in Mutual Aid Groups. We all have skills. No one is coming to save us. No government or political party or corporation. We have to save each other, and that will be very difficult to achieve. I forget the writer, but she said something like "No dictator is ever going to bring about the revolution. It will always have to come from the bottom organizing together." The only thing we can do is help one another. It will not be easy or fair or entirely successful.

[–] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is kind of where I'm at. I don't imagine any amount of cash in a bank account is going to prepare us for what's to come. Even if you could put money aside, the money you typically put towards retirement might just be better off towards becoming a doomsday prepper. Probably wouldn't save you either way, but it may buy you a little time that you wouldn't have otherwise.

Like others have said, I imagine my "retirement" as bearing witness to the collapse of modern society and ultimately dying in some lousy brawl with other desperate refugees, or by some untreated bacterial infection.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 1 points 9 months ago

I just know that my death will be something dumb in the coming collapse, like stubbing my toe and dying to infection when there is no remaining, effective antibiotics on our superheated hellhole.

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

US education was abysmal before that already

Solid points all around, but I wanted to add one historical tidbit: at one point the USA had literally the best edumacashiun in the world. After WWII, the other nations (like the UK + those in the EU) were bombed all to hell & back whereas the USA was relatively fine. People like Bill Gates advocated strongly for US education funding, b/c it helped feed that behemoth giant of a corporation to have an already-educated workforce, funded by US tax dollars, that they could take advantage of.

We have fallen FAR down the world rankings since then. Tbf, some of that may reflect changes in measurements e.g. does "every" kid need one, or can some be excused to go be a farmhand without needing to finish? (this affects averaged measurements, but not peak ones, or the previously thus-filtered ones)

[–] uis@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

After WWII, the other nations (like the UK + those in the EU) were bombed all to hell & back whereas the USA was relatively fine.

There was certain union in Europe(not European Union) that was bombed 9% by area and 55% by population.

does "every" kid need one, or can some be excused to go be a farmhand without needing to finish?

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Translation: To have more you should produce more, to produce more you should know more.

Farmers need education too.

EDIT: lemmy broke my comment with link to image

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[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

People like Bill Gates advocated strongly for US education funding, b/c it helped feed that behemoth giant of a corporation to have an already-educated workforce, funded by US tax dollars, that they could take advantage of.

Sounds like bill gates just wanted to steal more surplus labor value from his workers.

[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

We some how got wedged between Idiocracy and Cyberpunk 2077.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Our dreams of technology didn't meet with the realities/limits of materials science/engineering except for computing and the internet.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The technology was there; the humanity wasn't.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

You know, we live in "technology was there; the humanity wasn't" since DMCA was legislated. We literally have information duping machine, but there is law that forbids it. When there will be everything duping machine, ruling class will its use by anyone outside of ruling class.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

Because of all of this, we will see an absolute explosion of homelessness in the elderly.

And it can't be fixed just through capitalism. Only either through policy or comand economy.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

try to keep an eye on neat, simple engineering projects from poor countries because we may need to rely on similar options soon enough ourselves.

I am just sitting here as a infrastructure guy trying not to have a mental break of crying and laughing. It's so fucking bad and getting so much worse. You know what was today's item? I am working on one small system for a replacement wastewater treatment plant for a town of about 3,000 people that the pieces of shit general contractor has dragged out for 8 fucking years. 8 years for a project that should have taken 6 months. They haven't done any work. Longer it goes on the more they get to bill. Oh and my favorite part? The general contractor is one of the bigger ones, they have a Wikipedia page.

Cost disease is going to break us. Entire country is going to be spending a trillion a year with the water supply of Flint.

Now if you excuse me I am going to drink now. Cause fuck it I can't save anyone.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Cause fuck it I can’t save anyone.

You've done your best. It's definitely not personally your job to save anyone anyway. If we can't figure out how to do it collectively, well, maybe we just suck as a species. Thanks for doing what you could and can and don't bemoan yourself for your inability to fight a broken system on your own. I don't expect engineers and scientists and doctors who have been telling us this shit needs to be done for years to have any fucking patience for it anymore. You've all done your bit.

Also, thanks because I've just been assuming as much has been going on behind the scenes for a long time. I've been saying for years the entire nation gave up on any idea of long-term maintenance of anything in the 90's. We've had failing infrastructure grades for bridges all over the country since at least 2010, if not earlier, and fuck-all has been done. I'm not even close to being an engineer, but I've helped some friends with some basic construction and I'm just floored at how many corners are cut on so many things in our country. It's prevalent everywhere, it's part of why there's so many data breaches in the tech sector. They don't want to pay to update old systems to bring them up to compliance. We've literally built workarounds in the form of Virtual Machines just so people can run outdated software on modern hardware so insecure outdated software can simply keep being used despite its age. So yeah, feeling vindicated that it's not all just in my head.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

We've literally built workarounds in the form of Virtual Machines just so people can run outdated software on modern hardware so insecure outdated software can simply keep being used despite its age. So yeah, feeling vindicated that it's not all just in my head.

Insecure outdated software AKA proprietary software. Fuck that shit.

Brought to you by Free Software Foundation.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I at first I expected you to work in IT infrastructure specifically, but sewage? When sewage can't keep shit together - nothing in country can keep shit together. USSA is slowly turning from worse than Russia in some areas to worse than Russia in all areas.

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[–] grasshopper_mouse@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (23 children)

I'm a late gen-Xer (born in '80, so I'm more of a "Xennial"). I have a stable job, pension, matching 401k, no kids, no debt (paid off my car and student loans), make 6 figures, and I am STILL convinced that I will never be able to retire. I feel horrible for all those who are in a worse financial situation than me, but we are all really fucked in the next 20 years.

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