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So now DOGE has removed all these costs, will Americans not have to pay any taxes anymore? That's the conservative claim right? That taxes paid for all this stuff and Liberals were taxing everyone super high for it...
...so now taxes drop to zero for EVERYONE? Right?
Best I can do is drop the taxes on the rich. 👉👈🥺
oh, they'll still have to raise taxes on the lower half of earners, strip essential services bare--if they continue to exist at all, and pile on trillions to the national debt for that.
adding debt is 'free money' to them. not like they gotta pay it back..
I enjoyed the “we gotta lower the national debt for our kids” which quickly converted into “we gotta raise the national debt and we’re going to go into more debt” all in the same month.
They are planning on replacing income tax with a sales tax via tariffs. I wish I were kidding.
"They" are also pushing for a cashless society. Having an RFID chip in your hand will get you all your necessities and non participation won't. Mark my words. If someone told me this a few years ago I would have laughed.
Literal revelations. I did not have that on my bingo card
That's what happens when you have a suicidal death cult trying their damnedest to bring about their version of the end of the world.
Seriously where are all the conservative Christians that were so afraid of barcodes. These guys have turned revelations into a check list, but it's okay because he's "your" guy?
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Makes sense why Musk wanted X to become the "everything" app, including for mobile payments.
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Yeah seriously what the fuck am I paying taxes for if there’s no government anymore?
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I like taxes like I like my Costco membership. I get a better deal if I go in with others and buy in bulk. Even if I don’t use all the same goods and services as others.
Getting rid of corruption and grifters siphoning value out of a system is a much better goal than “saving money”
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I was wondering why we haven't seen any actual data on how they've saved the US money yet. The answer is likely that they didn't.
What are the odds that they saved the US money and kept it a total secret rather than to brag about it.
So low that I think this is a smoking gun that they failed to do so. We now know it didn't work out because they are quiet.
@fake_meows @Polderviking they cut loads of things that are a small (comparative) expense that bring in, or save, a lot of money, or support the economy. Like the national parks and USAID, and *all science*. Those new expenses won't be realised for a while but in the mean time they're paying off sacked staff left and right, paying the DOGE team, and fighting legal rulings. It's a ridiculous way of going about anything.
All of the receipts on the stupid DGE website so far have been lacking any and all context, which makes their "savings" worthless without more accounting. Okay, so they cut $1bn from one program by cancelling it, but what if that $1bn that was being spent was generating a return of investment down the road? Then they cut a service that actually ended up costing the taxpayers less than the alternative, which then needs to be recouped somehow.
I compare it to a mayor slashing the police budget because crime is at an all time low - completely ignoring that the cause of the crime being low was a well-funded police force. Shortsighted idiots should never be in charge of money.
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Yeah, its a circular economy. So for example, all your federal workers spend, save, invest and pay taxes in the country.
I think this a good small example: https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/new-report-shows-nasas-75-6-billion-boost-to-us-economy/
NASA budget is about $25B
That money (which is respent in the national economy) adds $75B to GDP. 3:1 multiplier effect.
So by finding NASA by $25B you get most of it back again in taxes AND you get all the jobs, services, technology etc. Its a huge list of benefits that is basically paying for itself. That's 300,000+ jobs and $10B in more downstream taxes...that counts against the $25B budget...it is really a net $15B tax spend to bring in $75B in GDP increase.
If you cut this program, you shrink the overall economy, drop.GDP AND lower future tax revenues. So when the money these programs spends is multiplied out through the economy in a circular way, the high price tag is a useless / pointless way to analyze the value of the return. You need to have the full systemic analysis or you're just doing damage...
This is every government program. My own small business I can track higher sales when SSI checks go out. The grocery store lines are longer and all the seniors are lining up to get groceries when the checks arrive...
And even if you "save money", what would you turnaround and do with it if not fund NASA and social security? Do they have a better idea? What else do we need that money for?
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Why would you say "half" when you could say "500"?
500 Billion Dollars.
Doesn't half a trillion sound like more than 500 billion? Even though 500 billion is already a lot?
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A trillion is larger than a billion, so half a trillion is a more rage bait headline.
Humans can’t fathom the vast distances of space. How are we going to fathom a trillion dollars?
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IN A MONTH.
4 years of months left to go.
Maybe next time people can get off their fat fucking asses and vote. Or, if you did vote, maybe vote more intelligently next go around.
Ok, fine, libertarians, you won. I don’t have to pay my taxes now, right?
Thats the fun thing with fascist governments, before you'd get a fine and asked to pay back on a payment plan, and maaaybe get jail time if you reaally went out of your way to not pay your taxes year after year.
Now they can just come get ya in the middle of the night and throw you in jail for any number of reasons, not paying your taxes, being one of them. Oh and then maybe get deported because they took your ID's and passport and when your family members throw a stink and demand you released because you're a born and raised US citizen, oops, they can't find you in the system.
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Tomorrow: IRS has been fired.
No because IRS is helping capture immigrants
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He also lost nearly a trillion dollars for Tesla. Tells the Tesla employees to keep their stock, hinting at how great things are and how much better they will be soon, and then the entire c-suite sells off around a hundred million in stock...
Elmo really is the best of all humans... At evaporating the wealth of others
I've said this for nearly s decade now, Elmo is a lyoni scammer who got lucky, that is all
“He got lucky” is another way to also say that, as terrible as he is at everything he does, including hiding it, the people who give him literally anything are always clamouring to prove just how stupid they can be by simping for him at every turn.
They're very efficient at destroying the country.
This was always the plan.
This needs to be bigger news on the mainstream channels, but you know it wont be.
I'm so tired of this shit.
Hmm, I wonder where it went /s
Correction - they efficiently lost half a trillion dollars for the USA
"Lost"... yeah, "lost" it in their bank account.
Lets see how long it takes them to turn US Treasury Bonds from their AAA+++ (or whatever) status down to D.
But it made Elon money and broke shit, so it served it's unstated purpose.
It ain't fucking lost, it's being re-distributed.
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