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AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — A gunman opened fire Monday in a Target store parking lot in the Texas capital, killing at least three people, then stole two cars during a getaway that ended with police using a Taser to detain him on the other side of the city, authorities said.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 53 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I know it's called Target, but that's not how you're intended to treat the store.

[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 5 points 2 days ago

Its not "targets", its just one.

[–] mysticpickle@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You always come up with the best zingers 👏

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[–] Chozo@fedia.io 43 points 3 days ago (15 children)

I live in Austin. I've had some people tell me I'm being paranoid for not wanting to go shopping anymore. I've had all my groceries delivered for the last few years, because I hate the idea of being inside a crowded store these days.

I fucking hate it when my paranoia is validated.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 57 points 3 days ago (2 children)

How many random (non-targeted) people were killed shopping in Austin in the last year, even if you include these 3 people?

How many people have died slipping in their shower in Austin in the last year? Or choking on food? I will bet you money both of those are much higher than the above answer. Have you stopped showering? Do you cut up all your food into bites so small you can't choke on them then eat them one at a time swallowing before taxing the next bite?

single incidents should not validate fears when you have a population of 2.5 million people, just because extremely rare things can and do happen doesn't mean they should change the way you live your life.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 25 points 2 days ago (7 children)

How many random (non-targeted) people were killed shopping in Austin in the last year, even if you include these 3 people?

Last year, there was a shooting at a HEB (Texas grocery chain) parking lot about a mile from my apartment. On Halloween a few years ago, somebody was shot in a drive-by right in front of my apartment, less than 100 feet away from my living room where I was eating dinner. Now this.

When these events keep happening right in your backyard, the statistics don't really do much to calm the nerves.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

When it comes down to it, your perception of danger is going to color how you behave, and that's totally alright for you. The reality in Austin, though, is that it's very safe as far as large cities go. These handful of incidents you describe that happened over the course of four years are awful, but are also incredibly rare given how many people live here.

[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well if you narrow down the statistics to his neighborhood it seems it's pretty fucking common.

Your example is like claiming Chicago is incredibly safe so you shouldn't worry too much about crime since you live in the South Side.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 5 points 2 days ago

Only one of the incidents they listed happened in their neighborhood, the other incidents happened miles away from them on opposite sides of town over a year apart.

No, this is not at all like "claiming Chicago is incredibly safe so you shouldn't worry about crime." Chicago's homicide rate is over 7 times higher than Austin's. And based in the incident they shared, they live in fucking West Campus adjacent to the University of Texas, not the South Side of Chicago.

[–] _wizard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

IIRC, a month after we moved out of the city, there was a shooting at a shopping area I frequented often.

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[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Have you ever considered that it's not the outside that is the problem, but rather the fact that "outside" for you is Texas?

[–] protist@mander.xyz 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Oh please, Austin is #90 on the list for murder and non-negligent homicide, with a lower rate than New York, San Francisco, Boston, Denver, and Seattle.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

[–] LemmyThinkAboutThat@lemmy.myserv.one 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Holy shhhh… Anchorage, AK is #2?!? I gotta stop binge watching NatGeo. Thanks for the list, sorry I got off topic.

Carry on.

[–] errer@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think you misread the table, it’s sorted alphabetically by state by default.

🤦🏻‍♀️oh geeze! Thanks so much. Pardon my stupidity.

Leaving now.

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[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Yeah, this is all statistics. My wife forces me to lock all the windows every time we leave or go to sleep. Even though the window in my office would require a fucking ladder to crawl inside of the window from the outside.

I told her it's statistically more likely for somebody to pick up a rock from somebody's yard and come in through the front of the house, then it would be for somebody to come in with a ladder at the back to crawl into the 2nd floor window.

Doesn't matter, she still wants me to lock the windows.

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[–] Gerudo@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I don't blame you. I have to use 2 hands to count how many times either myself, or my wife have been dangerously close, or within a mile of a high profile shooting. I don't even live in Austin, and I have been to that Target numerous times. People think I'm lying when I start listing them off . It's also why I began carrying.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 2 points 2 days ago

I've lived in Austin almost 25 years now and don't have a single friend, family, or colleague who has been shot by anyone else or who has even talked about being close to a shooting. I do know 2 people over that time who killed themselves with guns their families legally owned, though.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

At least they caught this one before he could escape by eating a bullet.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)
[–] Karjalan@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Yeah, when I saw "the cops tased him" and not "murdered the shit out of him", it was clear he was white.

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Maybe trump should send the DC national guards and the Marines.

Oh, wait, it's a red state. Never mind.

[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Curious what set the shooter off

ATM, this is all I could find. It’s from Newsweek.

Austin Police Chief Lisa Davis identified the suspect as a man in his 30s with "a mental health history." Details about the shooting victims have not been released.

According to Davis, the suspect initially fled the scene in a stolen car, crashed it, and then stole another vehicle from a dealership. He was captured about 20 miles away in south Austin, where officers took him into custody, Davis said at a news conference.

Initial reports from APD indicated that a child may have been involved in the shooting, but during an afternoon press conference, neither Davis nor Luckritz offered any update on that detail.

This is from USA Today

Davis* did not release his name and said a motive wasn't immediately known. She said he does have a "rap sheet" with the department, but did not elaborate.

*Austin PD Chief Lisa Davis

[–] scytale@piefed.zip 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Some articles say a history of mental illness.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Even this article says he had a "mental health history."

Whatever you think of gun ownership, I think almost everybody should agree that people with a "mental health history" should probably not be allowed to have guns in Target parking lots.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Okay, long rant, but important topic: Way too vague. One of the maddening things about health care is how rarely medical terminology lines up with legal. I know YOU aren't proposing a law, but this is the kind of language they like to tap into, so... Through a layman's lens, saying a person has a "mental health history" paints a pretty clear picture of instability, but what actually constitutes a mental health history? You've been to marriage counseling? Gone to the ER for a killer headache that turned out to be 'just' stress? Been required by a prospective employer to take the Myer's Briggs? "Sorry, your results came back as ISTP, we're going to need to confiscate your firearms."

It takes almost nothing to have a 'mental health history'. And even if you have a history of something noteworthy, it can be managed or gone. I have a history of a fractured and degloved thumb, cuz when I was a dumbass kid I managed to get it slammed into a heavy sliding glass door... then panicked and pulled it out as hard as I could. Today? Not even a scar - looks and functions completely normally. ...should I be barred from activities that require use of my hands due to a history of debilitating thumb injury? Shit can heal, and your brain is no different. So back to mental, let's say you have a history of severe depression w/ suicidal ideation. Sounds like a bad combo with firearms, yeah? But if the underlying causes were identified and treated and you're no longer struggling with your mental health, should that old diagnosis still prevent you from doing things that require a sound state of mind?

When lawmakers start tossing terms like that around, crank your skepticism up to 11 - it's up there with "protecting the children!"'s level of not doing shit to protect children while doing quite a lot to cripple your rights.

We see similar examples written in as cop-outs to make oppressive legislation easier to sell. i.e., abortion is illegal - unless the mother's life is at risk - wtf does it mean for her life to be at risk? Like, okay, her blood pressure is 90/60 and dropping... that's pretty low, but she's not going to die like right now... I guess let's check again in 5 mins? ...85/57, yup, still some internal bleeding... but she's still got some color in her cheeks, maybe it'll still turn itself around? 5 more mins. Aw fuck, the BP machine isn't getting a reading a reading anymore, where the fuck did the manual cuff go?! There it is, go go go she's turning fucking blue... 68/43, that placenta needs to gtfo like RIGHT NOW, tell the OR to start setting up for an emergency surgery- fuck fuck fuck we just lost heart beat, get the crash cart, overhead a Code Blue... 20 mins of compressions on a fucking corpse later and she's finally declared dead. Had the abortion happened when she was at 90/60, she'd have been fine; but NO doctor is going to put their license (and freedom) on the line to claim that 90/60 is life threatening, and waiting to start those interventions until it looks like an emergency is basically a death sentence.

Any non-specificity in legal definitions for medical criteria should be rejected automatically. Give me ranges. Actual lab values. Vitals. Times. Put those in the fucking law - there should be zero ambiguity about this kind of shit.

Gone to the ER for a killer headache that turned out to be 'just' stress?

Some doctors actually make stress a diagnosis for something they don’t have a clue. A family friend was diagnosed with stress, turned out to be cancer.

But if the underlying causes were identified and treated and you're no longer struggling with your mental health, should that old diagnosis still prevent you from doing things that require a sound state of mind?

As long as it’s identified and treated; some cases need ongoing care and attention.

abortion is illegal - unless the mother's life is at risk

Exactly, too vague.

Any non-specificity in legal definitions for medical criteria should be rejected automatically. Give me ranges. Actual lab values. Vitals. Times. Put those in the fucking law - there should be zero ambiguity about this kind of shit.

Physicians don’t want to do that IRL because of a probable malpractice suit let alone sit down with policy makers…ugh.

Thanks for the long rant; I agree.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

I think it’s time we stop swallowing the “mental health issues” excuse and pretending the real problem is just how a mentally ill person got a gun. That’s a distraction, a way to avoid talking about why so many people are desperate, untreated, and breaking.

How exactly do you plan to “screen for mental illness” in gun ownership? A psychic hotline? A vibes check at the gun counter? It’s absurd. If mental health is truly the concern, then the solution isn’t in background checks, it’s in actual, accessible, affordable mental health care.

But here’s the reality: in the richest country on Earth, getting mental health treatment can cost more than rent. People get put on months-long waitlists. Insurance companies deny coverage for therapy while covering opioids and antidepressants like candy. And then everyone acts shocked when someone cracks under the weight of it all and lashes out, sometimes violently, sometimes in a Target parking lot.

If you’re serious about preventing this, you don’t start with the gun store. You start with making sure people never get to that breaking point in the first place.

Being convinced everyone bears arms from birth until death.

[–] itisileclerk@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Nothing odd here, idiot who had the right to own a gun went to target practice.

[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Went to target, shot 3 targets.

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