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[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 126 points 2 days ago (2 children)

IMO, Intel is circling the drain and will die without intervention. And their death will have some pretty crazy ramifications.

If the US had competent leaders, they’d realize Intel was important to global security, and they’d come up with some sort of way to break up the fab and design business.

No one wants to send their designs to Intel’s fab because they don’t want Intel to copy their homework. That’s why Intel’s design competitors use TSMC. And TSMC scales faster because of increased money and experience.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Trump's 100% tariffs on chips made outside the USA is puzzling. It it an attempt to force Intel, who do make chips in the USA, to become more competitive just through bullying everyone? Or does he know it will just cause more trouble and is he trying to drive Intel into the ground for revenge because they took Biden's money? Why is he also demanding that Intel's CEO resign? Does none of it make sense because Trump is a crazy old narcissist who has lost touch with reality and is now losing his mind?

[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Trump loooves to take action. Coherent plan or direction is irrelevant.

Good luck US, still some to go.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Point 3 of Umberto Eco’s traits of ur-fascism.

Irrationalism also depends on the cult of action for action’s sake. Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation. Therefore culture is suspect insofar as it is identified with critical attitudes. Distrust of the intellectual world has always been a symptom of Ur-Fascism, from Goering’s alleged statement (“When I hear talk of culture I reach for my gun”) to the frequent use of such expressions as “degenerate intellectuals,” “eggheads,” “effete snobs,” “universities are a nest of reds.” The official Fascist intellectuals were mainly engaged in attacking modern culture and the liberal intelligentsia for having betrayed traditional values.

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[–] Lucelu2@lemmy.zip 6 points 18 hours ago

there is no real rationale. Trump is all impulse, no long range thinking/planning.

[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

The tariff thing just shows that Trump doesn’t understand why people use TSMC. TSMC doesn’t have a brand of chips that they sell, and they can’t copy your designs.

Companies don’t manufacture with Intel because Intel isn’t just their manufacturer, it’s their competitor. Also, Intel’s fab is now behind the curve. It literally can’t manufacture some of the shit Apple and Nvidia want.

Trump sees a rash and is prescribing cortisone cream. But the skin irritation is from melanoma.

[–] AngryPancake@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago (4 children)

There's no way politicians will let one of the most important chip manufacturers die. If push comes to shove, they'll get subsidies

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago (5 children)

.... Have you seen the competence of the politicians on display in the US right now?

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[–] Fedditor385@lemmy.world 87 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So, their chips become unsuitable for enterprise servers. Datacenters avoiding them and buying AMD. Intel losing enterprise market share and revenue. Reduced revenue causes next layoffs, probably again people working on things that keep the business working. Shoots itself in the foot and being surprised about the consequences.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 1 day ago (18 children)

And AMD becoming a monopoly, nice, nice world

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[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Coretemp and Ethernet. Also a few years ago the guy that maintained meshcentral (the only reason to pay extra $$$ for having Intel vPro compatibile computers in the workspace)

Basically this tells their biggest customers "next server needs to be based on AMD epyc"

How much money they could possibly "save" with those THREE salaries? Just cut one week of travel with private jet for the C class and the same savings are served

[–] Cocopanda@lemmy.world 21 points 21 hours ago

But how else is the CEO going to cheat on his wife? Cold play concerts are def out of the picture now.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 9 hours ago

Mass layoffs are never done in a thoughtful way. It's often the C-suite telling each division "cut x number of staff underneath you". That order is filtered down through layers of management until it gets to the people who do actual work. If they're lucky, they can negotiate some room on their team with one or two layers of management above them, but it just means another team underneath the same management layer is getting hit that much more.

Remember that when a CEO says "we had to make the hard but necessary decision". All that asshole had to do was say "cut 10,000 people" and filter that order down the stack. All the actual hard decisions were made far, far away from the board of directors.

[–] BD89@lemmy.sdf.org 30 points 1 day ago (4 children)

When I got a new desktop PC this year I specifically avoided anything with Intel in it because of how bad they dropped the ball with their GPUs basically disintegrating.

This is just a small glimpse into how Intel is breaking down from the inside. It may take a few years but if the US government doesn't intervene somehow on their behalf I truly think Intel might be done for in the next 5 years.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Same. Intel and Nvidia are both on the boycott list.

As great as AMD is right now, I still don’t want them to become a monopoly. The fact that we have a duopoly is already a major problem.

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[–] magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Imagine if x86-64 got blown open because of it? Might literally be the best thing to happen to computing in like 40 years.

Really fuckin' doubt it'll happen, but a girl can dream XP

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Or, what if it just became irrelevant. It's had a great run. But honestly ARM has shown plenty of versatility and power. While being licensable unlike x86. And things like riscv have similar of not better potential.

[–] magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Its always going to be relevant, even if only emulated, simply because of how many code bases are stuck on x86/x86-64.

Open sourcing it and all of its extensions solves the licensing problems of not only itself, but Arm, while providing a battle tested architecture with decades of maturity.

Also imagine the fun FPGA consoles could have with that?

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[–] HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

But if history is any indicator, they will. "Too big to fail!"

What's crazy is, people will say "See how capitalism fails us?" when that is socialized capitalism. The government should not be bailing out any companies. If they can't survive without government money, they don't need to exist.

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 28 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Mostly nontechnical person here: how much active maintenance does this driver need? To the uninitiated, it sounds like it should be basic and standard.

[–] potatopotato@sh.itjust.works 50 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not much, but it does need to be maintained. Every time someone pushes an update to code that the driver uses, something changes in the Linux kernel, or Intel releases be hardware that needs a different register map or whatever, the driver will fail. If nobody steps up to maintain it, it could stop working in a matter of months.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 10 points 2 days ago

Okay, thanks!

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[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So just stick with what I've been doing and avoid Intel? Got it.

[–] original_reader@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Sure, but in the meantime I need to work with what I have... which is Intel (on some machines, at least).

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[–] BD89@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 day ago

AMD all the way baby!

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Without Intel processors, Linux wouldn't have been possible in the first place.

But today we have good processors from many different manufacturers. The Linux community must, and can, stay alive even without the support of one major player.

[–] Mihies@programming.dev 35 points 1 day ago (16 children)

We don't have that many other processors, though. If you look at the desktop, there is AMD and there is Apple silicon which is restricted to Apple products. And then there is nothing. If Intel goes under ground, AMD might become next Intel. It's time (for EU) to invest heavily into RISC-V, the entire stack.

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

ARMs are coming. RISCV are coming. Some Chinese brands have been seen, too.

[–] exu@feditown.com 9 points 1 day ago

Neither are commonly available in desktop form factors and they usually require custom builds for each board to work.

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[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why did Linux need Intel processors specifically?

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The PC was new. There were only Intels in PCs. Linux was made for the PC.

Backstory: Prof. Tanenbaum was teaching operating systems. His example was MINIX (his own academic example). This motivated one student to try to make a new operating system for PCs, doing some things like the professor, and other things quite differently. This student knew the specifics of the Intels and used them good for performance etc.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sure, but if Intel hadn't made the 8086 and that entire family line was severed, Linux would have just been made for Motorola 68000 series or something. Or one of the Acorn ARM chips that did the rounds at the time.

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[–] yarr@feddit.nl 20 points 14 hours ago

The problems at Intel haven't even begun. When a big company does layoffs like that, there's a certain amount of institutional knowledge that just evaporates.

There are going to be a large amount of dropped balls at Intel and this is just one of them.

Sadly, I think instead of the market responding and Intel going under, Intel will mutate into a government subsidized technology company. At least for the present moment, they serve as an example of what could be domestic manufacturing.

To me, their attitudes strongly resemble Blackberry just prior to the iPhone coming out. They have a certain amount of arrogance and are resting on past glories. It's pretty clear that just cranking up the wattage and shipping a new product isn't a path they can walk forever.

It's a shame that Intel was actually on a plan to get things fixed up. Their former CEO pay Gelsinger had told them they had to endure some years of pain before things would be better. Unfortunately, the board was not so tolerant and kicked him out before the plan was fully realized.

Their board has some really questionable members on it too, so all around not a very good situation. Probably the only thing in Intel's favor is that starting a new microprocessor company isn't just something you do in the basement, so they have some room to turn the ship around.

[–] atticus88th@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

Stop buying Intel products, got it thanks!

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Hey this is kind of interesting since I just met up with my friend who works for Intel today for his kids first birthday and he was telling me about this issue and how they're trying to get him to be part of a related team (not specifically related to Linux) on top of his other responsibilities...

He went on at some length describing how absolutely absurd the whole structure was of related systems and how it's a miracle any of it works lol

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

it’s a miracle any of it works

After 25 years in software development, I can say that's how I feel as well.

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[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Another reason to go for Amd

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