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[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 107 points 1 day ago (2 children)

IMO, Intel is circling the drain and will die without intervention. And their death will have some pretty crazy ramifications.

If the US had competent leaders, they’d realize Intel was important to global security, and they’d come up with some sort of way to break up the fab and design business.

No one wants to send their designs to Intel’s fab because they don’t want Intel to copy their homework. That’s why Intel’s design competitors use TSMC. And TSMC scales faster because of increased money and experience.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 23 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Trump's 100% tariffs on chips made outside the USA is puzzling. It it an attempt to force Intel, who do make chips in the USA, to become more competitive just through bullying everyone? Or does he know it will just cause more trouble and is he trying to drive Intel into the ground for revenge because they took Biden's money? Why is he also demanding that Intel's CEO resign? Does none of it make sense because Trump is a crazy old narcissist who has lost touch with reality and is now losing his mind?

[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 22 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Trump loooves to take action. Coherent plan or direction is irrelevant.

Good luck US, still some to go.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago

Point 3 of Umberto Eco’s traits of ur-fascism.

Irrationalism also depends on the cult of action for action’s sake. Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation. Therefore culture is suspect insofar as it is identified with critical attitudes. Distrust of the intellectual world has always been a symptom of Ur-Fascism, from Goering’s alleged statement (“When I hear talk of culture I reach for my gun”) to the frequent use of such expressions as “degenerate intellectuals,” “eggheads,” “effete snobs,” “universities are a nest of reds.” The official Fascist intellectuals were mainly engaged in attacking modern culture and the liberal intelligentsia for having betrayed traditional values.

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[–] AngryPancake@sh.itjust.works 10 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

There's no way politicians will let one of the most important chip manufacturers die. If push comes to shove, they'll get subsidies

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 38 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

.... Have you seen the competence of the politicians on display in the US right now?

[–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

sure, but if the us doesn't china will.

[–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 14 hours ago

China will subsidize Intel?

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

Didn't the orange one threaten tsmc to buy 49% of Intel or will get higher tariffs?

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[–] Fedditor385@lemmy.world 56 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

So, their chips become unsuitable for enterprise servers. Datacenters avoiding them and buying AMD. Intel losing enterprise market share and revenue. Reduced revenue causes next layoffs, probably again people working on things that keep the business working. Shoots itself in the foot and being surprised about the consequences.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 14 hours ago (13 children)

And AMD becoming a monopoly, nice, nice world

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 26 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Mostly nontechnical person here: how much active maintenance does this driver need? To the uninitiated, it sounds like it should be basic and standard.

[–] potatopotato@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not much, but it does need to be maintained. Every time someone pushes an update to code that the driver uses, something changes in the Linux kernel, or Intel releases be hardware that needs a different register map or whatever, the driver will fail. If nobody steps up to maintain it, it could stop working in a matter of months.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 9 points 1 day ago

Okay, thanks!

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[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 22 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

So just stick with what I've been doing and avoid Intel? Got it.

[–] original_reader@lemmy.zip 8 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Sure, but in the meantime I need to work with what I have... which is Intel (on some machines, at least).

[–] BD89@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 18 hours ago

AMD all the way baby!

[–] BD89@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

When I got a new desktop PC this year I specifically avoided anything with Intel in it because of how bad they dropped the ball with their GPUs basically disintegrating.

This is just a small glimpse into how Intel is breaking down from the inside. It may take a few years but if the US government doesn't intervene somehow on their behalf I truly think Intel might be done for in the next 5 years.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 16 points 12 hours ago

Same. Intel and Nvidia are both on the boycott list.

As great as AMD is right now, I still don’t want them to become a monopoly. The fact that we have a duopoly is already a major problem.

[–] magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Imagine if x86-64 got blown open because of it? Might literally be the best thing to happen to computing in like 40 years.

Really fuckin' doubt it'll happen, but a girl can dream XP

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Or, what if it just became irrelevant. It's had a great run. But honestly ARM has shown plenty of versatility and power. While being licensable unlike x86. And things like riscv have similar of not better potential.

[–] magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Its always going to be relevant, even if only emulated, simply because of how many code bases are stuck on x86/x86-64.

Open sourcing it and all of its extensions solves the licensing problems of not only itself, but Arm, while providing a battle tested architecture with decades of maturity.

Also imagine the fun FPGA consoles could have with that?

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 3 points 8 hours ago

Oh I have no issues with it being relevant in the same sense the Z80 68k or 6502 still being relevant. Just not part of a controlling duopoly.

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[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Without Intel processors, Linux wouldn't have been possible in the first place.

But today we have good processors from many different manufacturers. The Linux community must, and can, stay alive even without the support of one major player.

[–] Mihies@programming.dev 31 points 21 hours ago (10 children)

We don't have that many other processors, though. If you look at the desktop, there is AMD and there is Apple silicon which is restricted to Apple products. And then there is nothing. If Intel goes under ground, AMD might become next Intel. It's time (for EU) to invest heavily into RISC-V, the entire stack.

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 10 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (3 children)

ARMs are coming. RISCV are coming. Some Chinese brands have been seen, too.

[–] exu@feditown.com 7 points 20 hours ago

Neither are commonly available in desktop form factors and they usually require custom builds for each board to work.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago

And for many x86 will remain an important architecture for a long time

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[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 6 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Why did Linux need Intel processors specifically?

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 7 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

The PC was new. There were only Intels in PCs. Linux was made for the PC.

Backstory: Prof. Tanenbaum was teaching operating systems. His example was MINIX (his own academic example). This motivated one student to try to make a new operating system for PCs, doing some things like the professor, and other things quite differently. This student knew the specifics of the Intels and used them good for performance etc.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 18 hours ago

Sure, but if Intel hadn't made the 8086 and that entire family line was severed, Linux would have just been made for Motorola 68000 series or something. Or one of the Acorn ARM chips that did the rounds at the time.

[–] atticus88th@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Stop buying Intel products, got it thanks!

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 13 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

Hey this is kind of interesting since I just met up with my friend who works for Intel today for his kids first birthday and he was telling me about this issue and how they're trying to get him to be part of a related team (not specifically related to Linux) on top of his other responsibilities...

He went on at some length describing how absolutely absurd the whole structure was of related systems and how it's a miracle any of it works lol

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 14 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

it’s a miracle any of it works

After 25 years in software development, I can say that's how I feel as well.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I'm a network engineer and lately I've dived deep on wifi. I feel the same way about wifi.

[–] LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 5 points 13 hours ago

Man, wifi is black magic. Not the nice kind that draws kittens out of hats, but that one that need a blood sacrifice to work

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[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Another reason to go for Amd

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[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago

Coretemp and Ethernet. Also a few years ago the guy that maintained meshcentral (the only reason to pay extra $$$ for having Intel vPro compatibile computers in the workspace)

Basically this tells their biggest customers "next server needs to be based on AMD epyc"

How much money they could possibly "save" with those THREE salaries? Just cut one week of travel with private jet for the C class and the same savings are served

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