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[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 168 points 21 hours ago (3 children)
[–] hopesdead@startrek.website 18 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Why are non-European countries even allowed to participate?

[–] MithranArkanere@lemmy.world 31 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

All countries associated with the European Broacast Union can participate.

Brazil, Peru, Japan, India, and even China and the US could participate too.

Russia and Lybia used to be part of the EBU but they were suspended. They know what they did.

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[–] napoleonsdumbcousin@feddit.org 14 points 19 hours ago

Eurovision is organised by the European Broadcasting Union, which includes basically all countries in the European Broadcasting Area (basically Europe + all of the Mediterranean). Those include Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, Israel, Armenia, etc. They have always been allowed to participate. Australia is an outlier. They just got a special invitation.

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[–] AbnormalHumanBeing@lemmy.abnormalbeings.space 88 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

As a European, I think it would be pretty funny if, after Brexit, the other parts of the former Empire joined the EU.

But at least right now, membership is probably more of a meme - some solid cooperation and shared institutions would be amazing, though.

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 21 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (4 children)

EU already said this can't work. It said in the rules only European countries can join the EU. But something can be worked out, no doubt.

[–] lena@gregtech.eu 17 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

~~European~~ Worldwide Union

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 12 points 18 hours ago

Globalists but for real this time.

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 8 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Canada becomes a France province, easy.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 9 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Or France becomes a Canadian one and switch to English as the primary official language. It would solve a ton of issues and I'm sure the French would be okay with it.

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (3 children)

You have to be "substantially European", which includes Cyprus, which is fully in Asia and half Turkish. Also, Greenland and to a degree Iceland aren't geographically European.

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 14 hours ago

Membership of the European Economic Area - same as Norway - for example.

Comes with being part of the EU Internal Market, Freedom Of Movement (both ways, of course) and exceptions in a couple of areas (such as fishing rights not being decided by the EU, which I suspect is something that Canada would rather have) but without voting power within the EU.

[–] arakhis_@feddit.org 67 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
[–] huppakee@lemm.ee 5 points 16 hours ago

I don't see Erdogan being very happy about this map tho

[–] UpperBroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone 44 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Well, if Canada can take part in the Eurovision song contest, they might as well join the EU.

[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 17 hours ago

Everyone knows supreme executive power is derived from Eurovision.

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[–] DeepChill@sh.itjust.works 43 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Well, we do share a land border with Denmark. Sooooo…. we’re practically European already!

[–] SaturdayMorning@lemmy.ca 18 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

And France (Saint Pierre) I think? Thanks CBC Gem!

[–] Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world 9 points 17 hours ago

Saint Pierre and Miquelon, right by Newfoundland. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Pierre_and_Miquelon

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[–] MithranArkanere@lemmy.world 39 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Let's just rename the EU to "United Earth" like in Star Trek, since Australia is practically in it already on account of being in Eurovision.

That way we don't need to change the initials, just swap them.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 27 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Earth United would be better, no need to even change the merch.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 9 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world 11 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

They always lose on penalties to fuckin Mars, man

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[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 19 points 19 hours ago

#canadentry

[–] AlolanVulpix@lemmy.ca 19 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Albbi@lemmy.ca 19 points 21 hours ago (5 children)

I'm not sure why I keep seeing this posted, like it's some sort of gotcha. It doesn't mean our other elections would have to change, just the brand new representatives to the EU.

The vote for liberal leadership used Preferential Voting where you could indicate more than one preference.

[–] AlolanVulpix@lemmy.ca 13 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

It's not about being a "gotcha" - it's about demonstrating a pathway to better democratic representation.

You're right that EU membership would only require PR for European Parliament representatives initially. However, this would create several significant opportunities:

  1. Practical demonstration: Canadians would experience firsthand how an electoral system that ensures every vote counts actually works, rather than just hearing theoretical arguments.

  2. Institutional precedent: Once PR is successfully implemented for one electoral body, the argument that it's "too complex" or "un-Canadian" becomes much harder to maintain.

  3. Democratic legitimacy gap: Having representatives to the EU Parliament elected through PR while our own MPs are chosen through FPTP would create an obvious legitimacy contrast that would be difficult to justify.

The Liberal leadership vote using preferential voting actually supports this point. Internal party processes already recognize the limitations of FPTP - they just don't extend those same democratic principles to the general electorate. In fact, all parties, even the Conservatives, use superior electoral systems to FPTP.

The reality is that 76% of Canadians support electoral reform according to recent polling, but our major parties benefit from maintaining a system that systematically discards votes. Exposure to functioning PR would make the democratic deficit in our current system increasingly apparent.

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[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 13 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

A lot of people don’t get it until they see it in action.

My union recently had a vote about increasing health benefits. “No” won in one of the categories because there were 3 options for how much to increase it by. (Yes won by 76% while the no beat the top yes 24% to 23%)

I pointed this out at the next meeting and we had a vote and struck the no vote. Later a bunch of people said thanks for pointing that out, and my reply was “no sweat, we have the same problem with our elections.”

Then everyone applauded and Einstein gave me a piece of π. Just kidding, it was more like weird looks and a couple agreements, but I like to think I brought the issue to a few people’s attention.

[–] AChiTenshi@sh.itjust.works 12 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Because it's a step towards proportional representation. It would expose much more of the populace to how it's done. Hopefully getting more people used to the idea of it.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 12 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

Guys guys guys, let's be good friends with the EU, let's even adopt some of their best policies, but honestly, they also have some baggage we don't need.

[–] Taiatari@lemmynsfw.com 7 points 6 hours ago

Believe me, we don't want Orban either..

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[–] FelixMortane@lemmy.ca 10 points 17 hours ago

Yes please, I will vote to support this.

[–] RelativityRanger@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 hours ago
[–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 8 points 21 hours ago

#28thnever51st

[–] GooberEar@lemmy.wtf 8 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

I'm super jealous because I've wanted to have Canadian citizenship since back in my late teens / early adulthood when I realized that there was already a version of America that actually lived up to American ideals and which offered same-sex marriage as well as universal healthcare. That weed and apparently codeine are legal there make it so much more bittersweet.

The only people I've known personally to get citizenship are those who married a Canadian citizen. Which sucks for me because I'm already happily partnered and there's no way I'd give that up for anything, not even Canadian citizenship, awesome and appealing as it is.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 7 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

When "the big one™" hits, can California join either of y'all?

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago

Absolutely but only if you drop the Maga people off in Utah on the way out.

[–] Panamalt@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

Might be some geographical issues (perhaps of the ocean variety) with this proposal

Well, Ireland is separated from the rest of the continent by ocean. Canada is just a slightly bigger island, slightly further away...

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[–] brezel@piefed.social 6 points 20 hours ago

I (from yrp) would absolutely love this <3

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 9 hours ago (2 children)
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[–] rex_meatman@lemm.ee 5 points 9 hours ago

Can’t we just harvest the states that want to leave?

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 5 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Honestly do people think this we'll happen cause Brussels has already said no.

[–] Jay@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 16 hours ago

Brussels can suck my balls we'll wait 6 months and Strasbourg is in power ez bro

[–] deadlyduplicate@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago

Back to supporting CANZUK then

[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 5 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

We have already rejected Morocco because of geographical reasons...

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