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How is kindness a bad thing? I thought that was universally agreed to be a good message to have in a piece of media. I guess the excuse is they don't want media to have messages at all but like, how would you even have a movie where the hero has no values that they stand for?

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[–] Walop@sopuli.xyz 176 points 1 day ago
[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 146 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Superman fighting the klan didn't work because adults laughed at their hand signs and shit that were disclosed...

It's because it got a generation of kids to see the klan as the bad guys

If Superman hated you, how the fuck were you going to indoctrinate your kid into the klan?

That's why they're always bitching about media. The people doing it are ignorant, but the ones telling them what to be mad about it are picking logical targets to fufil longterm goals.

It's why fighting fascism is like losing weight, you can't reach a goal and stop giving a fuck, it's a lifestyle.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 61 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

It’s why fighting fascism is like losing weight, you can’t reach a goal and stop giving a fuck, it’s a lifestyle.

Can confirm. 330lbs I said "I'll reach 320."

At 320 I said I'll reach 310.

At 310 I said 300.

At 300 I said 290.

Then 280.

Then 270.

Then 260.

Then 250.

Then 240.

I went back up to 250. Oh no no no no no. Fuck that shit. I'm going to see 240. And when I do, it'll set my sights on 230.

And when I see 230, I will hug someone. Because that will be 100lb.

Which means I'll look to 220.

And then 210.

And 200.

I don't know where my weight loss journey ends. I don't know when I'll feel at a healthy weight.

I just know I hope my journey brings me to a day when I get to punch a nazi.

Because nazi lives DON'T matter!

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

You're gonna do it brudduh, don't stop bettering yourself :)

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[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

Holy shit you're right.

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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 100 points 1 day ago (8 children)

For all the right wingers who think woke, pro immigrant superman is a new concept, reminder that this is a poster from the 1950s

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[–] missingno@fedia.io 98 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Propaganda is powerful. You convince your followers that some classes of people don't deserve kindness, you convince them that everything out of Hollywood is part of a leftist agenda, and once they believe both of those statements it's very easy to spin this as further proof of the narrative they've already bought into.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 55 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Hey, fascists don't deserve kindness.

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[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm just baffled because not only is it way easier to not hate people, it's way more beneficial for everyone.

These people are taking two mile hikes to find the perfect deer shit to shove down their throats.

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[–] sdcSpade@lemmy.zip 93 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Probably the same idiots who thought Homelander was a hero.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I've been wondering if there are Trump supporters watching The Handmaid's Tale and siding with Gilead

[–] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 18 points 1 day ago

I’m sure they have watched it and made lots of notes.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 67 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Conservatives are still mad that Superman fought the kkk.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Which is admitting they side with the kkk, isn't it

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[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If Superman were real, he 100% would have melted a lot of those racist fucks.

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[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 2 days ago (13 children)

I really don't know how to convince people they should care about others.

I don't know how to teach empathy.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People care about their in-group. Make being human their main identity.

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[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

I like the Nathan Fillion comment during some red carpet interview when the interviewer was trying to egg him into saying something that would get rage clicks from one side or the other of the current political trash fire.

"its just a movie guys"

Superman was not a brooding edge lord until Snyder's take outside of specific story runs, and it is obvious that a lot of people don't know that.

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[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

They don't have a movie but they have a show. Homelander is the perfect 'hero' for these people. Only even the dullest dullard in the magat pile fails to recognize the character is evil but they never consider they are the baddies. Edit: fixed spell check.

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[–] renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net 32 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

People angry that Superman represents kindness

Do these people exist? Is it just one troll, or a significant enough of a population to even give the slightest bit of thought?

[–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 48 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Look at how many Americans would voluntarily die themselves just to prevent "unworthy" people from getting free health care.

These people exist.

[–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 2 days ago

Pain is the point for them

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I frequent dive bars. I have met plenty of people who believe in kindness, and love, and Jesus and shit - but not for immigrants, not for non-white people, not for criminals of any level. I straight up have had these people say this to my non-white face and then say, "oh but you don't count because you have a job" or "you don't count because you aren't a drug addict". Etc. etc.

These people suck fucking dick and I want them all to die.

It's fucking ironic too when these same people talk about smoking weed, or stealing from big box stores self-checkouts, or vandalizing some dude's car.

"Rules for thee, not for me."

I read local obituaries solely to celebrate when I see some of these people die.

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[–] TheReanuKeeves@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I've met countless people who hate morals and will tell you you're an idiot if you treat other humans as equals

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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 30 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (3 children)

Cause Americans are obsessed with Rugged Individualism.

If you are in trouble, you don't accept help, much less ask for it. You pull yourself up by your bootstraps and turn your fortunes around with grit and determination using nothing more than the loose change in your pocket.

Thats how anyone that needs help became nothing more than social parasites leeching off the rugged individualistic success of their betters.

Thats why Americans, on the whole, have all but erased empathy and good will towards others.

Its why 1/3rd of the country actively votes for weak, pathetic fascists who poorly playact as strongmen. Its why 1/3rd of the country didnt bother voting, because they have no problem with fasciatic strongmen punishing the weak and the other.

The New Religion of the American Orthodoxy is basically "Fuck you, Got Mine".

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[–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 day ago (12 children)

I’m curious how this movie is, I’m used to the older ones and a show called Smallvile.

I did not know there was some anger about this Superman movie. Anyone could quick give me a small summary?

Though bit bummed out that they keep remaking movies and shows instead of making new ones.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Anyone could quick give me a small summary?

James Gunn commented that Superman is an immigrant, and conservatives are losing their minds

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 day ago (2 children)

People on Facebook are telling me he isn't an immigrant, he's from outer space. I'm so confused as to what they think an immigrant is

[–] Fluke@feddit.uk 23 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Literally an illegal alien, and they refuse to see it.

[–] 790@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 day ago

The most illegal alien. Smallville had an episode where Clark helped hide an undocumented migrant. His mom tried to chastise him and he had to remind her his own paperwork is shady as hell.

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[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 1 day ago (4 children)

and conservatives are losing their minds

"he can't be! He isn't brown!"

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[–] DarkMetatron@feddit.org 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

But that's nothing new. In Smallville there is one episode in which Clark literally said to his mother Martha that he is an illegal alien too.

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[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

zack snyder and cristopher nolan turned goofy do-gooder superheroes into unfeeling federal agents and gods we should be subservient to

[–] michaelvile@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

The cinematic-repubLkan-universe kindness is weakness.. Good doesn't pretend to be evil. But evil does pretend to be good..ffs, 'the list is on my desk..."

[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I just came out of watching the new movie.

In the scene in which Clark gets interviewed, seen also in the trailer, it is transparent that Superman is with Francesca Albanese on a very current issue.

That's what they are mad about.

I guess WB/DC is gonna fall out of grace.

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[–] Lyrac@programming.dev 19 points 1 day ago (8 children)

I'm out of the loop here. I've seen something about the most recent director or writer calling Superman an immigrant, and Dean Cain hating on that take and calling it "woke". But I haven't seen anyone expressing that Superman should not represent kindness.

FWIW if you are looking at reviews for an upcoming or recently released movies, and a lot of the comments are calling it "too political" or "woke", give it a watch and come back with your own review. Those reviews are an indicator to me that it might be somewhat thought-provoking. (or also don't watch if you have no interest in the subject)

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[–] ideonek@piefed.social 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Did someone acctually expressed that thought?

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Yeah, Dean Fucking Cain did.

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 17 points 19 hours ago

this is what those people want.

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[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 16 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Idk, I always thought Superman was cool, but a little boring and vanilla. I normally prefer Batman. Admittedly, I've never dived down the Superman lore pit, but I am aware that he gets a little darker sometimes. He's definitely one of the better role model heroes. Anyone that actually hates Superman, is a dipshit.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (16 children)

I dunno', batman is cool, but he's an ineffectual LARPer that refuses to do the ONE thing that would actually start to fix things in Gotham...

That and he's a billionaire that decides to keep up the playboi image despite his escapades demonstrably having a miniscule effect on crime in Gotham compared to him just using his billions to actually help solve the systemic issues in Gotham's economy that drives so many to crime in the first place.

In short, Batman is everything wrong with the American attitude about capitalism.

At least Superman has the excuse that he is not an economic powrhouse that actually could indirectly improve thousands upon thousands of peoples' lives. ... as weirdly as an all-powerful being not being an economic powerhouse is.

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[–] Sidhean@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In fiction, hard agree; in reality, I'd summon super man over bat man pretty quick. I think he's boring because he doesn't leave much room for interesting conflict. irl, I don't want interesting conflict lol

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[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They don't want Superman, they want Brightburn.

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (6 children)
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