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How is kindness a bad thing? I thought that was universally agreed to be a good message to have in a piece of media. I guess the excuse is they don't want media to have messages at all but like, how would you even have a movie where the hero has no values that they stand for?

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[–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I’m curious how this movie is, I’m used to the older ones and a show called Smallvile.

I did not know there was some anger about this Superman movie. Anyone could quick give me a small summary?

Though bit bummed out that they keep remaking movies and shows instead of making new ones.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Anyone could quick give me a small summary?

James Gunn commented that Superman is an immigrant, and conservatives are losing their minds

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 day ago (2 children)

People on Facebook are telling me he isn't an immigrant, he's from outer space. I'm so confused as to what they think an immigrant is

[–] Fluke@feddit.uk 23 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Literally an illegal alien, and they refuse to see it.

[–] 790@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 day ago

The most illegal alien. Smallville had an episode where Clark helped hide an undocumented migrant. His mom tried to chastise him and he had to remind her his own paperwork is shady as hell.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 7 points 1 day ago

illegal space alien.

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

illegal alien

So no Englishman from New York?

[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 22 hours ago

Does he like his toast done on one side..?

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago

No no no, you see he's white! /s

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"Strange visitor from another planet" is one of the first things most people learn about him, right after him being neither a bird nor a plane.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

and conservatives are losing their minds

"he can't be! He isn't brown!"

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Apparently there is a black version of Superman in some comics and they were making a movie of him. Sadly, the movie has been cancelled.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

To be fair, the cancelled movie would have been with Will Smith. I'm ok being without a Will Smith Superman movie. Steel did get his own movie, but without any Superman IP in it.

[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

They already made a Will Smith Superman movie. He was a drunk hobo version of Superman.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

oh yeah. It was ok.

[–] DarkMetatron@feddit.org 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

But that's nothing new. In Smallville there is one episode in which Clark literally said to his mother Martha that he is an illegal alien too.

[–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That’s all? That’s why they’re upset? Sigh, it’s as if someone accidentally farts and then they rage.

Isn’t he kinda right though? If I remember well, Superman came from another planet.

[–] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There are two plausible explanations:

  1. People think immigrant refers to a person who chose to move. Since Superman didn't arrive on Earth by choice, he's not an immigrant. This is, of course, incorrect.

  2. People think the term immigrant only refers to people who look "different" compared to what is common in the region. This is, of course, racist.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

If they're okay with immigrants who didn't come by choice, then all the children who were brought to America illegally by their parents should be allowed to stay and everyone born in America should be allowed to stay citizens.

As for Superman not looking like an immigrant, it is actually a big coincidence in-universe that he happens to look like a white human. There's no Europe on Krypton.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

As for Superman not looking like an immigrant, it is actually a big coincidence in-universe that he happens to look like a white human. There's no Europe on Krypton.

Now I want an alternate-universe Superman who happens to be black, and lands in racist-as-hell-ville in the rural USA.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 6 points 1 day ago

Refugees are a type of immigrant though.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He also said that Superman is kind, and that bothered them too.

[–] Jack_Burton@lemmy.ca 4 points 20 hours ago

He also renounced his US citizenship in Action Comics #900 like 15 years ago.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This movie won me over when I saw Krypto and the fortress Bots. That’s the kind of stuff I’ve always wanted, but then idiots like Bryan Singer and Christopher Nolan (who clearly hate and are embarrassed by the source material) show up and want to make everything dark and “realistic” so characters like krypto don’t make it to the movies. Fuck realism, im watching a movie about a super alien fighting monsters, i don’t want realism in my comic book movies

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't think Christopher Nolan was embarrassed by Batman and he only made a standalone trilogy. If he was embarrassed by Batman, he wouldn't have included an homage to Adam West Batman.

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Singer and Synder are just edgelords. You can find them at any comic book store arguing about something stupid, but tolerated longer then they should be because they spend the most money.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

On the Synder track, 300 is just a really uncomfortable movie. It’s a propaganda movie for a hell-state.

[–] FreeFacts@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Isn't that like the point? The whole movie is visualization of the propaganda speech that the narrator (Dilios) is making before the battle of Plataea.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Did anyone walk away from that movie thinking “this is an unreliable narrator story and we shouldn’t take the fash-y elements at face value” or was it “damn the Spartans were bad ass”?

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I thought it was weird that the "Heroes" threw deformed babies off a cliff and then when one of the deformed babies who survived, took the opportunity to betray the Spartans. What did Miller and Snyder mean by that?

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

The infanticide was historically accurate - although probably at a scale less than the movie implies. But it is in sources.

But yeah - the way that the film portrays the treatment of disabled people is especially gross. Pay attention to who is in the court of Xerxes - the acceptance of disabled bodies is presented as akin to the sort of “decadence” of these evil Persians. (If a necromancer brought Edward Said back to life to watch 300, it would probably kill him again.)

The movie is basically a Triumph of the Will for Spartans and torture for anyone who’s actually researched Greek history (Leonidus calling the Athenians “boy lovers” is teeth gritting, part of a Spartan education was getting fucked by older men…)

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago

There's a difference between historically accurate and implying that the historically accurate morals were correct. I liked the movie as popcorn entertainment, but some of the subtext didn't sit right with me. So much so, I never felt the need to rewatch it or watch the squeal. Finding out that Snyder has been wanting to make a Atlas Shrugged movie doesn't surprise me.

[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

I like realism. I also like fantasy. It's interesting to see different peoples takes on these characters imo. I think it would be boring if every time they make a new Superman franchise it was exactly like the last one.

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 day ago

I 100% expected this movie to suck and was even saying up to its release that it would flop.

I've seen all the Superman movies since the 80s. And all the TV shows.

This is my favorite movie.

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/48819895

Some conversations about it here. No spoilers, as of this writing.