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Donald Trump has said that he will withhold funding for New York City if presumptive Democratic mayoral nominee Zohran Mamdani becomes mayor after November’s general election and doesn’t do the “right thing.”

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 276 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Oh but blue states not giving federal taxes over is "starting a civil war."

The civil war is already happening. Wake the fuck up people.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Or it's not, and that's the problem. The organised rightwing forces of state repression can easily push around a left that's been trained and groomed to function as entirely beholden to corporate sponsors and big money donors.

...to the point it's now visible and blatant that the establishment left cannot stand and legitimately claim even the possibility they are the solution.

Because the solution is something more revolutionary that will cause bloodshed and more regular interruptions to people's daily lives.

So of course, keep your head down, hope none of this effects you. Ignore that it already has. The dems will fix it later, ect....

It's understandable to ignore the civil war even though it's not rational to.

Terrorists (freedom fighters) are made as needed, they're not born ready. Trump's administration will be looking to stay under that threshold.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Kirp123@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

I had the same reaction. The US has two parties, a far right one and a center right one. There are some center left members in the Democratic Party but the rest of the party sure tries to smother them any chance they get.

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[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 day ago

Viva la revolución

[–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 178 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Mamdani won a mayoral primary, hasn’t even been elected yet and the hype on all sides is enormous.

Really hope New Yorkers dig in and back this dude.

[–] turtlesareneat@discuss.online 64 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He was already the favorite, Trump's endorsement here will cinch that up

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 153 points 1 day ago (3 children)

that is how you know he is the right candidate, Trump is an inverse indicator

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 30 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

You can tell the quality of someone's character by the enemies he makes.

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[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (3 children)

I predict Mamdani and Trump will have similar arcs through the media landscape. The media hated Trump but just couldn't stop paying attention to him, even though every time they attacked him it only made him stronger. Now they are all bending the knee to him.

The same exact thing is happening with Mamdani, but this time for all the best reasons. Mamdani's campaign might easily become a nationwide avalanche.

[–] jivandabeast@lemmy.browntown.dev 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

might easily become a nationwide avalanche

Anecdotally, I have fairly non-political coworkers in other states that are hyping up Mamdani. His reach across Gen Z is honestly insane and people are even making TikTok/Instagram hype edits of him all the time

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[–] bappity@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

Mamdani is fucking AMAZING, I'm from the UK and I'm hyped xD

[–] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 140 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Lmao, damn, trump seems really scared of this guy.

All the conservatives seem really scared of this guy.

Wonder why republicans might be scared of Democratic candidates left of dead center. Almost like a real alternative not slobbering out neoliberal, Chicago school of economics, nonsense could sweep them in a lot of traditional safe seats.

Or at least be really hard to rally their base against if their base actually hears what the policies are.

[–] Kirp123@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well of course. He's charismatic, young and he talks to the people he wants to represent. He's the antithesis of everything they are.

[–] thebeardedpotato@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

With the current state of affairs, I’m worried he’s going to fall out of a window and shoot himself in the back of the head

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[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 109 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I know nothing about this man.

But since Trump hates him he must be awsome

[–] jivandabeast@lemmy.browntown.dev 71 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Mamdani is a NYC mayorial candidate who is a member of DSA, pro-palestine, has stated that he would have Netanyahu arrested if he came to NYC, and is running on a platform of:

  • Fast and free buses within NYC
  • Rent freeze every year for New Yorkers in rent stabilized housing
  • City owned and operated grocery stores
  • Creation of a Department of Community Safety to tackle mental health challenges rather than NYPD
  • UPK
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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 82 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Just FYI: withholding money is financial abuse, a favorite tactic of abusers, since it leaves no visible marks until significant damage is done.

[–] regedit@feddit.online 19 points 1 day ago

I'm so tired of people not telling this old bunch of shit sacks to fuck off. I'd have so much respect for any threatened tRump victim if they just told him the fuck off after shits like that.

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[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 68 points 1 day ago (4 children)

This shows that waiting to 2026 and hoping that Dems will take over Congress is really pointless. They won't acknowledge and certify any results that aren't their people.

At this point we either fight or accept end of US as a democracy.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

We do not fight on their terms.

They want battles in the streets. They want explosives, dead feds and cops.

They want 258,000,000 dead Americans. They don't give two shits what side it's on.

A Mayoral election giving the elite this much terror is extremely telling. The GOP didn't work the top down, they worked the bottom up. Local governments, states, and the branches of the Federal government.

If NYC can get this guy elected, then the doubt that fascists need to instill in the idea of democracy gets bolstered, and they have to do things that will be even more unpopular than kidnapping immigrants.

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[–] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 50 points 1 day ago

This Mamdani guy is BAD NEWS! He wants to GIVE YOU BACK your Tax Dollars in the Form of Food and Healthcare and Transportation! That's LUDICROUS! DO the Right Thing New York and Elect the Politician who will CONTINUE GIVING YOUR TAX DOLLARS TO THE BILLIONAIRES DESTROYING YOUR DAILY WAY OF LIFE!

[–] ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Good thing New York doesn’t need it and provides money for the federal government. It’s more like New York will stop till they get their shit together.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Another way to escalate this situation is to raise the taxes on billionaires enough to account for the missing revenue from the federal government. Itemize it and call it the "Trump tax".

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[–] YoiksAndAway@lemmy.zip 42 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And we're right back to election interference. I wonder if something will be done about it this time.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This sounds like more of the "socialism never works [because conservatives/capitalists sabotage it]"

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[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 29 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

Then join hands with New England and the west coast and starve them back, because that's who has the money.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 14 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

That would only work with like-minded politicians. Old Democrats have spent more energy complaining about Mamdani in the past month than Trump's current presidential run.

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[–] RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 day ago (13 children)

Can someone share some insight with us non Americans, how close are you to a civil war? Between the LA protests and this it seems very imminent

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 48 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Eh, bread and circuses. People are still relatively comfortable and complacent.

[–] fitgse@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Except we can barely afford the bread and circuses right now. This is true of people like me that 5 years ago thought they were doing really well…

Even impoverished Americans have a relatively high standard of living, globally speaking. People are struggling, but they generally have a roof over their heads and don't have to eat their pets. We're not where we should be by any measure, but we're also nowhere near the levels of desperation that push people to armed revolt.

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's a "cold" civil war currently. And one side is just submitting and rolling over.

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[–] xyzzy@lemm.ee 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not very close, despite the online rhetoric. Life continues and our feudal lords play their games.

If things continue to get worse and another lunatic succeeds Trump, I think talk of secession will start to gain more traction in the West. But even then, it would take something really major (and not something the Lemmy politics crowd considers major, but something that actually snaps average liberals out of their comas) to garner enough support for it to actually occur.

Western secession would be an uphill battle; it's just as likely we'd lose an armed conflict with the rest of the country, and an all-out war would be absolutely terrifying.

[–] formulaBonk@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean they’re arresting citizens with brown skin now so not too long before being a democratic registered voter is a crime.

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Not anywhere close, in my opinion. People have these ideas that only right wingers have guns and red state vs. blue state but my conservative relatives who live in the country and hunt are afraid to go to cities. They ask me all the time if I’m nervous living in one and there’s a school bus stop by my house where kids get dropped off.

A related point is that in the last Civil War, there was a somewhat blurry but pretty clear regional divide. Now, it’s an urban vs. rural divide. I live in Orleans Parish (aka county) in Louisiana and we went 82% for Harris/Waltz, roughly the same as Manhattan. I’m pretty sure California had more Trump voters than Texas. If a gun brawl breaks out, it’s going be local and contained.

Also, what’s Meal Team Six gonna do in a real battle? Most Trump voters are like 60+ years old and watch Fox News all day. Nobody wants the smoke.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 10 points 1 day ago

I am very skeptical of the notion we are anywhere near an actual shooting war despite all the turmoil. Both sides would have waaaay too much to lose, especially red states, which derive huge amounts of funding from blue states (basically, blue states provide federal revenue while red states tend to use it up).

At the moment at least, people have too high a degree of comfort to actually get off their asses and start physically fighting. Things would probably have to get a lot worse before we really see that happen.

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[–] Dicska@lemmy.world 23 points 12 hours ago

He is copying Orbán in Hungary. He also "starved" the capital city because they elected an opposition mayor. The city is near bankruptcy at the moment. But hey, mini Trump also wanted to ban the Pride march there last Saturday, and as a result he made it the biggest mass event of the past 10 years.

So if things happen similarly, Trump might be able to actually do this, but it might just ruin his chances at the next election - provided there will be another one, according to him.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The problem with this, and so many other problems in America right now - is that they'll only ever be fixed by Democrats swinging the other direction.

The majority of whom will only go as far as they believe their corporate sponsors will allow. Preventing real progress.

This is the mechanism and economic base structure of "democracy" in the west which prevents real progress and real change from happening to the structures and systems we have.

The result? An ever increasing risk of populist fascism, which may become increasingly systemic in its use of deadly force and violent repression (yes, things can go further unless the structure itself is forced in the other direction - in a revolutionary manner).

To clarify: Only leftwing revolution can fix and prevent this happening again. Hence why Biden and establishment "leftists" were unable to prevent the current era - because it requires a revolutionary movement much further left to do these adjustments to democracy, rights, and the state of western politics.

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[–] SpaceShort@feddit.uk 21 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

If that happens, time for more mass protests. Surround the White House and stop anyone from entering and leaving until funding to NYC is restored.

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 21 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

ok, taco. can't wait for the day he walks this back and act like he's on top of things

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[–] Lucelu2@lemmy.zip 18 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

You know what??? NY will survive. We survived prior to the Revolution. We survived after the Revolution and before the Constitution. We will continue this... and honestly, the FEDS do fucking nothing for us and why do they deserve to be paid??? They are fucking loafing political lying fucks. Fuck them and fire them.

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 17 points 18 hours ago

I mean doesn't he already threaten that even when a centrist or conservative Democrat is elected?

[–] iamanoldguy@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I guess they'll have to withhold they're federal taxes to help pay for the shortfall.

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[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 14 points 1 day ago

Billionaires are happy to say people work harder when they're desperate and boy the billionaires are working hard to smear this guy.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 12 points 8 hours ago

I still am laughing at what Wonkette used for their image and headline on how the qons are reacting to Mamdani.. 🤣 🤣 🤣

"Wingnuts Exactly As Calm As You'd Expect Over Mamdani's NYC Primary Win" https://www.wonkette.com/p/wingnuts-exactly-as-calm-as-youd

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