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[–] IllNess@infosec.pub 58 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Imagine if Midjourney wins and the only thing you need to legally pirate anything is to self host a LLM.

[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 20 points 5 months ago

"Dont mind me officer, Im just training my (brain) model"

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

AFAIK, you don't actually need actually need an LLM to do it, as long as you do what Meta did and not upload anything at all. The one who did the copyright infringement is the one who supplied the data to you.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Seeding illegal, leeching legal! This is not advice, be kind and seed!

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago

I imagine that they could find that leeching is illegal if you upload anything to any other torrent clients. I think Meta was claiming they were literally in the clear because they were being assholes and configuring their clients not to share at all.

But yeah, keep your ratio above 1, or you're a jerk.

[–] dumnezero@piefed.social 6 points 5 months ago

If Midjourney wins, other media corporations are going to host bigger and better LLMs and do the pirating. The "prompters" who think that they're being fighting corporations are the best corporate tools.

[–] nimpnin@sopuli.xyz 40 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 31 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 18 points 5 months ago

♫"Do you wanna file a lawsuit?"♫

[–] yukichigai@lemmy.sdf.org 29 points 5 months ago

The future of piracy is going to be running your own LLM with all the corpo-mandated guardrails disabled.

[–] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 26 points 5 months ago (4 children)

So obviously actually being an artist who draws things and someone using an AI slop machine are very different in practice, but I find it interesting that they're saying the images are unauthorized copies. Is it illegal to draw these characters now too? Or is it different because a human did it?

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 21 points 5 months ago

The argument could be made that because the image generator is essentially a regurgitator with no artistic interpretation, there is no transformative artistic value in it. It's like applying a filter with extra steps.

Also the generators charge for access, so they are profiting off of the IP. That's quite different to making something for personal use or releasing it for free.

[–] Sebastrion@leminal.space 8 points 5 months ago

I'm pretty sure it is illegal but tolerated. If drawing is legal, I don't understand why Fan game's are illegal then.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It has always been an infringement to draw their characters lol (apart from fair use which doesn't apply to most works)

[–] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They can and do issue takedowns for drawings all the time, but yes, they are more lenient when people create them

[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago

I remember there used to be images to trick t-shirt bots, in a bid to get the companies behind them sued by disney.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 22 points 5 months ago

i wish they could kill each other off... corpos are parasites

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Above all of this should be the glaringly historical fact that Hollywood was literally founded to escape lawyers for European film groups trying to bring those founders-to-be to justice for their, well, piracy of said films... 🤷🏼‍♂️ I mean, if anyone should deserve an ol' fashioned legal rogering, it's those hypocritical backbirths.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

AFAIK it was more about getting away from Thomas Edison's patents.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That is also true, considering he was an infamous patent troll of his time. Fuckin' killed our boy Nikolai, by proxy, and now the ass-clown is named as the inventor of all manner of things he stole from other, more capable innovators. Fuck him sideways with a Faraday pineapple.

[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's why I never contribute much at work past the bare minimum. Someone else takes credit every time. I just watch them fail instead.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago

Try the bait & switch, instead, and then "somehow" be right there with the actual solution when theirs* butters into flames. 😜

[–] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 19 points 5 months ago

Disney is insufferable. Also another reason to have these models as open source and downloadable. They won't be able to really take it down.

[–] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The company that uses AI for their movies is suing and AI company....

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm their defense, given that they are massive settled business, banning ai image generations will more likely hurt younger competition rather than hurt Disney.

so far, the only AI that they use was for some trippy effect for a TV show. and it was used because it does look uncanny.

they just want less competition

[–] Grumpy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sorry for Reddit, but check this out.

https://old.reddit.com/r/FluxAI/comments/1laxin7/flux_kontext_veo_3_is_insane/

No more uncanny weird shit in latest. And this one is open source.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

that new model will likely shatter the media industry.

and also reality

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 5 months ago

If Disney wants to stop me from using genAI or pirating, they can pry it out of my cold, dead hands.

Intellectual property is a myth, copyright is nothing more than calling dibs, and neither have enough merit for me to give a shit about either. Once an idea exists and is released into the public, it’s mine to use however I want. And use it I will, regardless of whatever the artists or developers who made it think.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

@aihorde@lemmy.dbzer0.com draw for me a picture of Mickey Mouse.

[–] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

@aihorde@lemmy.dbzer0.com draw for me Mickey Mouse stealing art

Why is that not slutty mickey mouse, though?

[–] zjti8eit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

fuck Walt Disney right in the goat ass.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 months ago

With a chainsaw

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago

That was Hitler's Wednesday afternoon routine and why it's still known as Hump Day, IIRC.

[–] rodneyck@piefed.social 5 points 5 months ago

'See ya, real soon!' ....in court.

[–] 0xD@infosec.pub 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

@aihorde@lemmy.dbzer0.com draw for me hitler shooting himself and splattering his brains on the wall

[–] aihorde@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Here are some images matching your request

Prompt: hitler shooting himself and splattering his brains on the wall

Style: flux

collapsed inline mediaImage with seed 3458086880 generated via AI Horde through @aihorde@lemmy.dbzer0.com. Prompt: hitler shooting himself and splattering his brains on the wall
collapsed inline mediaImage with seed 18092 generated via AI Horde through @aihorde@lemmy.dbzer0.com. Prompt: hitler shooting himself and splattering his brains on the wall
collapsed inline mediaImage with seed 3791952698 generated via AI Horde through @aihorde@lemmy.dbzer0.com. Prompt: hitler shooting himself and splattering his brains on the wall
collapsed inline mediaImage with seed 64579 generated via AI Horde through @aihorde@lemmy.dbzer0.com. Prompt: hitler shooting himself and splattering his brains on the wall

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 4 points 5 months ago

The third one is hilarious. Like some filter is like "whoa whoa you can't commit suicide in an image, but shooting your shadow? Deep. Poignant. Mysterious. I'll allow it."

[–] 0xD@infosec.pub 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

@aihorde@lemmy.dbzer0.com draw for me adolf hitler shooting himself in the head

[–] aihorde@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] 0xD@infosec.pub -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

@aihorde@lemmy.dbzer0.com draw for me adolf hitler, suicide, gore, walther ppk, spatter

[–] aihorde@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee -1 points 5 months ago

@aihorde@lemmy.dbzer0.com

draw Hitler holding a gun, aiming at his own head, with gore and bits coming out of a bullet hole in the head

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Oh no, we have this here too? Ohboy...

[–] 0xD@infosec.pub 1 points 5 months ago

Yeah unfortunately didn't get a good one, I want to make a sticker to mock Hitler fans ;)