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they will save 188,000 โ‚ฌ on Microsoft license fees per year

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[โ€“] Buffalox@lemmy.world 223 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

Fingers crossed that this will be an indisputable success. ๐Ÿคž
Allegedly a similar project in Munich went really really well, but was shut down when the right wing came into power.
For some reason the right wing of Munich doesn't like freedom. ๐Ÿ™„

[โ€“] lowleekun@ani.social 86 points 2 days ago

Well there is never enough money for the workers that they need for open source but there is always more than enough money for companies and their consultants โœŒ๏ธ๐Ÿ˜Ž

[โ€“] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 79 points 2 days ago (1 children)

was shut down when the right wing came into power.

...and when M$ moved their headquarters into the city of Munich, making some nice impact on the city treasury.

[โ€“] Buffalox@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago

They had already moved it, so Munich didn't have to switch back for that.
But yes I bet it was a factor as in corruption.

[โ€“] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 47 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Munich racist shitheads (a.k.a. CSU) absolutely do love that sweet "freedom money" a.k.a. bribes though. Corrupt fuckers...

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[โ€“] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Microsoft supports genocide which also makes them attractive to fascists.

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[โ€“] innermachine@lemmy.world 112 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is the sort of adoption we need to bring Linux into the mainstream

[โ€“] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This and software companies openly supporting Linux. For example, if Adobe and AutoCAD among others would build some tars then you could see it.

Ironically, Game Engines are ahead of the curve on this. You could build Unreal Engine from the github page on Linux for many years now and we also have Godot and Blender. I think several PCB design and also architecture tools already exist on Linux as well, so there is definitely room for a lot of industries and businesses to shift away from Windows as long as they can find a competent tech guy to maintain everything with minimal downtime.

[โ€“] barsoap@lemm.ee 17 points 1 day ago

Blender got ported to Linux in 1998, to Windows in 1999. The modal interface and key command language is no accident, it literally is a 3d vi.

Linux is generally strong when it comes to 3d graphics workstations, it inherited IRIX' market share, plenty of artists around, especially in the film industry, who'd go on a strike if you took away dragging windows with alt+LMB. Graphics, that is, CAD is dominated by Windows as CAD started out as 2d sketch software which ran on cheap DOS machines.

Houdini is also Unix-native and Blender's only surviving competitor (considered by features, not industry inertia), Maya started out as cross-platform IRIX+Windows.

Microsoft blocking email access to the ICJ director may be the best thing to happen for Linux adoption since the SteamDeck. Now every Microsoft lobbyst can be asked what would happen is the US government order Microsoft to block them out of their infrastructure.

[โ€“] Gutek8134@lemmy.world 72 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's gonna be a rough few months for the IT department

[โ€“] Shayeta@feddit.org 83 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Actually being able to troubleshoot things yourself instead of waiting for a reply from Microsoft support is a godsend.

[โ€“] BassTurd@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Assuming the IT staff isn't comprised of a bunch of junior techs that only know the Microsoft suite and not the actual inner workings of how email and Linux works.

[โ€“] BCOVertigo@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Conveniently, this could be a path to competence for those juniors in the long term.

[โ€“] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You a glass half full type person, huh? Honestly, I admire that attitude. I hope you can keep that.

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[โ€“] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I feel like most of the items aren't going to be real troubleshooting.

It's been a good bit since I worked the support desk, but even with generic microsoft updates, most of the 'questions' were basically the worst users finding a way to say 'It used to be this and I want it to be this way, hold my hand for an hour while telling me its not this way anymore until I get tired and then complain to someone else'.

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[โ€“] daw@feddit.org 18 points 1 day ago

Imagine them switching to Linux and suddenly shit works

[โ€“] ConstantPain@lemmy.world 63 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Just wait for Microsoft to start astroturfing the initiative.

[โ€“] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Embrace, extend, extinguish will accelerate.

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[โ€“] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Germany has done this multiple times before. Microsoft has historically swept in with some sweetheart deal to lure them back.

Hopefully it sticks this time.

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[โ€“] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 45 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I switched to Thunderbird about a year and a half ago.

Last week I had to help a coworker with their Outlook and holy shit is it so much worse than when I dropped it. There is so much AI garbage in every little thing and bad design getting in the way of just sending and receiving emails.

Same thing for the other office products

[โ€“] based_raven@lemm.ee 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's horrendous. Can't even explain how bad it is now.

[โ€“] maniclucky@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

Yup. I switched to linux on my home computer and now the more time I spend with it, the more I pity my work computer for the cancer it has to deal with.

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[โ€“] TheLastOfHisName@lemmy.world 44 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

It would be nice to see the European governments start a genuine effort on funding open source development, and start laying the foundation for a migration to their own Linux distro. Microsoft isn't trustworthy. Hell, most American big tech is untrustworthy. Moving your government offices to an in house developed OS is going to be paramount for their security in the future.

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[โ€“] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 42 points 1 day ago (21 children)

LibreOffice is a great alternative for 99% of people, but there is that 1% of people who is gonna be disappointment. This is a great step though.

[โ€“] msage@programming.dev 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Same goes for any software.

I don't understand why people act like Windows is the holy grail of computing.

It sucks, it barely works for 90% of users, and the rest will use anything else.

Just as Linux will work for 98% of people, and those last ones are due to handful of evil companies.

[โ€“] gamer@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The problem is education. People know how to use Windows/Microsoft products, and are too lazy to learn anything else. Saying "that other thing sucks" is easier than admitting "Idk how to use that other thing, and I'm too lazy to learn", especially in a corporate environment where you can't climb ladders by acknowledging your own shortcomings.

Get LibreOffice/Nextcloud/etc into schools, and the problem will be solved in a single generation.

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[โ€“] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

People bitch and moan every time MS Office apps are updated, too; I can't count the number of times I've heard coworkers complain. TBF though, I refuse to hit the "Try the new Outlook" toggle on my work laptop - I tried it once and it was worse in every way.

I'm glad the only MS products I use at this point are work-issued.

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[โ€“] lostbit@feddit.nl 38 points 1 day ago (4 children)
[โ€“] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 day ago (14 children)

Some localities in Germany have been incorporating Linux into their systems for 20+ years.

That may explain why the financial benefits seem low.

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[โ€“] BoycottPro@lemm.ee 36 points 1 day ago (8 children)

I sometimes wonder what if everyone who spends money on licensing fees instead takes the same amount of money and puts it into FOSS. Imagine what we could achieve? Likely the money would be used more efficiently because they could donate it to non-profit companies which don't need to pay tax.

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[โ€“] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 35 points 1 day ago (11 children)

If the trend continues then maybe the hacker community will start focusing on Linux. Can you imagine "I don't need a virus scanner, I use Windows, the under dog OS"

[โ€“] tempest@lemmy.ca 53 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The hacker community it's very focused on Linux since most servers in the world run it. The fly by night script kiddies and botnet creators definitely prefer end user systems though.

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[โ€“] skvlp@lemm.ee 26 points 2 days ago

This is great! I hope it succeeds, and shows others that it is possible.

[โ€“] RaptorBenn@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (15 children)

Holy fuck, that's the clearest sign for war prepararion ive seen from Europe yet, they don't want the US in their computers.

[โ€“] spongeborgcubepants@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This has been planned for quite some time, so not really.

Also, other states insist on using Palantir so there's that...

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[โ€“] sockenklaus@sh.itjust.works 18 points 20 hours ago

In other news: the German military partners with Google to provide the software for their new cloud service...

https://www.heise.de/en/news/Bundeswehr-relies-on-Google-Cloud-10397526.html

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[โ€“] redditor_chatter44@sh.itjust.works 22 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Would love to see further movements towards foss software in many other governments

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[โ€“] atlien51@lemm.ee 22 points 18 hours ago

LETS GOOOOO

[โ€“] yournamehere@lemm.ee 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

it is just step 1

we will get rid of all closed source shit.

weak bavarians failed after successfull transistion to "LiMux" (their linux fork) they got bribed with 8k M$ jobs in munich.

but not the state of schleswig-holstein! we will prevail.

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[โ€“] RealM__@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I admire the plan, but I doubt the public sector is going to completely acclimate to Linux. The average age of an employee in the public sector is something like 40+.

You might get lucky and get them to use one new program like LibreOffice, but there's no way you're going to completely revamp every desktop PC to Linux. I work in this field, and while everyone has been nice and friendly, they (and the entire system around them) are also hugely resistant to digital change. If they ever make the move to a Linux Desktop environment, the IT support will go through hell.

[โ€“] Obelix@feddit.org 20 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I know what you are saying, but it is not so bad: First of all, most things people are doing at work is not really related to the OS underneath. So if you are responsible for creating passports, you are using the special government program for passport creation. If you are a policeman, you are using the special police software to do your policework. Yeah, you need additional training, but in the best case your usual software keeps working. Most people are not really interacting with the OS during their work day.

(and let's be honest: Microsofts totally insane UI changes are also requiring lots of training. If you are used to just click on some specific buttons that somebody told you to click on, you're totally lost in Microsofts crazy wonderland of ridiculous UI changes )

[โ€“] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Plus government computers are always old as shit so Linux should install nice and easy, give em mint for that windows like UI.

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[โ€“] seven_phone@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

Lie to me once Microsoft shame on you, lie to me twice shame on me.

[โ€“] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (22 children)

That sounds like a ridiculously lowballed amount. Also, working with open source tools should increase productivity and decrease brainrot among workers in the public sector. Using Microshit kills brain cells. Not even joking, I actually think it makes users fucking dumb.

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[โ€“] neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago (10 children)

That is such a crazy amount of money on license fees, especially when you consider that there are mostly free alternatives. I am always choosing foss options as I build my small business.

Right now, I am using onedrive, and Microsoft for my business email. Which I think comes out to like $5 a month.

My understanding is that for reliable email, you need to host with microsoft or google otherwise you are more likely to get sorted into junk mail. If that is incorrect, please let me know.

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