Yea but we both know you wont, because your just as credible. It's a fact that it you average ev has twice the carbon footprint of a ice car, and takes 3 years roughly to offset its carbon emissions assuming 15k miles driven a year. At 10 years, carbon footprint of an ice car is roughly double that of the ev, but from 10 years on your subject to battery failure and now need to dispose of a big nasty battery pack and replace it. It will take a few decades to see what the true footprint of evs are, and there is no published studies with the long term effects because we haven't gotten there yet. This is the closest thing I found upon a brief search, so fesrlst yer eyes on a graph. Keep in mind that's based off a Nissan leaf and fiat 500, you could choose a more economical car with smaller footprint and a larger footprint ev to skew results in my favor, or compare the leaf to a truck or whatever ur average American drives and steer the conversation towards evs but I think it's a reasonable apple to apples comparison. This whole conversation has been speculation and I thank you for ur engagement 👍 https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/electric-vehicles-contribute-fewer-emissions-than-gasoline-powered-cars-over-their-lifetimes/
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Alright here's more effort than you could be bothered with- drilling oil out of the ground involved a drill that goes deep into the ground. Their not all that big. Have you seen a lithium mine before? Massive hole in the earth miles wide and quite deep, a hole in the earth that will be visible for centuries. A big open wound on the planet that cannot heal itself. I know this is a tough comparison because oil is more of a consumable, and lithium for batteries sure it's technically a consumable but with a much longer life than say a 50 gal drum of oil. I'm not taking into account refining for either material, or the waste involved with disposing of batteries or emissions of cars burning gas. It's an apples to oranges comparison and hard to say which is worse at the end of the day. What is a fact, however, is that producing an electric car is more harmful to the environment than producing an ice car. And keeping an old ice car alive is better for the environment than producing any new car. Both lithium mining and oil drilling quite frankly awful for the environment. So do you have the gusto to help me understand and produce a productive conversation or are u happy to just troll? It is an incredibly complex issue to account for the exact environmental impact of either, but an issue that intrigues me and I think an important conversation to have.
Spoken like a true pedestrian. I live in one of the bigger "cities" in my state and it's smaller than a "small town" in the last state I lived in, not having a car here is impossible. The most environmentally friendly thing to do would be abandon all technology and eat berries in a cave and die at 30 because of poor hygiene, your comment is irrelevant to the conversation at hand.
The most environmentally friendly thing you can do as a car owner is just keep the oldest car u have alive as long as possible. Cash for lunkers wasn't about getting people in cleaner cars, it was about subsidizing companies so they could sell more while destroying perfectly good vehicles. This shredded the used car market and we are paying for it now. Literally. If you need to get a new car anyways, sure an ev or hybrid might be the way. But keeping a stinky old diesel running, while it may seem counterintuitive, is the cleaner thing to do. What we wmit driving pails in comparison to the production pollution associated with all these throw away cars.
One of my buddies in HS was getting bullied, requested he gets changed out of the class. Guidence decided if they work together in a group project in said class instead they might get along. Upon being forced in a group with the bully he requested to get changed out of class again to no avail. Yea the kid getting bullied just about flattened his fucking face one day and he got arrested for it. No good result for either party but maybe the bully will think twice about pushing buttons next time?
Not sure why your getting down voted for stating a fact. Neither Republicans nor Democrats give a rats ass about us, we are ants in their empire. Nothing but a means to stuff their coffers. Every passing year the rich get richer, the middle class continues to evaporate, and more and more people enter poverty. The wedge only gets driven deeper, it has never lifted in the last 20+ years. We're fucked.
I wouldn't call paying attention while you hurdle down a strip of pavement at 60mph in a 2 ton metal cage being "great", id call it the minimum. And I'm not saying don't implement it, I'm just saying it's absurd to act like forcing it in every car is gonna fix the problem. It's just gonna make vehicles less affordable and add failure points.
This is the sort of adoption we need to bring Linux into the mainstream