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[–] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 150 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Confidently incorrect is the default with these people. I spend most of my time with family aggressively correcting misinformation about my field and related ones. They will die earlier thinking they know more because of Youtube. Getting them to stop taking bad health advice and mystery joint injections from a fucking chiropractor is the latest battle.

[–] vaguerant@fedia.io 93 points 1 day ago (7 children)

The impression of legitimacy enjoyed by chiropractic is too damn high. I was well into my 20s before I ever heard a single word about it being pseudoscience. Walking around (usually on people's fucking spines) calling themselves doctors, I absolutely believed it was just some sub-variety of physiotherapy, which I guess is the point. In the whole universe of alternative medicine, I think that has to be the practice which has most effectively disguised itself as conventional medicine. It's gross.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I was well into my 20s before I ever heard a single word about it being pseudoscience.

every fucking tv show and film referring to them as some sort of curer of back issues probably doesn't help

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[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 21 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I walked in to a chiropractors' office once to try and see if they'd take me for an appointment, found a brochure proudly proclaiming that chiropractic treatments can help cure autism and cancer, and turned right the fuck around and walked back out.

If you think you need a chiropractor you actually need a physical therapist and anyone trying to tell you otherwise is lying to you.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I guess I should count myself lucky for where I grew up: there's a big/famous chiropractic school in this city, so this creepy motherfucker was on TV commercials all the time:

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Never mind quackery; I thought it was legitimately some sort of cult!

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[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 12 points 1 day ago

The way chiropractic plays itself as the cure all for any ailment with regular "adjustments" is the real bullshit, it's straight up a sales pitch to get people in a recurring schedule for that sweet appointment revenue. Don't get me wrong, when I've thrown my back out the best and most immediate relief I've found is to have the guy super twist and crack my back loose just so I can get some mobility to stretch and walk. But the way they sell it as you need several appointments a week to stay "regular" is a crock of shit.

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[–] segabased@lemmy.zip 13 points 23 hours ago

I find irony that they disregard expert opinions on the things they are experts for (climate scientists for example) but will accept an entire worldview of opinions based on someone being "smart" like the opinion of a software engineer has on philosophy or politics.

Reject the expert on the subject they're an expert on because that makes them "elite" and they were trained to think that was bad, but accept an unfounded opinion of someone who may be smart in an unrelated field because the opinion is "different" so it must be "smart"

I think this is the trap all self assigned internet intellectuals fall into. They parrot opinions and vibes from echo chambers that discredit real science or real reporting and call it enlightenment. This in itself is stupid, but then even more stupid people are drawn in and suddenly we have a big club of geniuses

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[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 115 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (14 children)

Note how they always enshrine gender in biology, but then make all kinds of non-biological statements about what gender is.

"XX is woman"/"Large gametes is woman"/"can conceive is woman"

And then they'll say

"Women aren't as aggressive", "women are more emotional", "women like being in the home more", "those are women's clothes", etc.

The only reason it's so important for it to be biological is because of how it punishes gender non-conformity and makes the lives of trans people hell. Like it isn't ideologically consistent and they know that. They just don't care. If it was just about genitals or chromosomes, then why is it that gender dictates all these social things about us? The only reason to root gender in how you were born is to ensure gender roles are as rigid and immutable as possible.

[–] LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 46 points 1 day ago (2 children)

how it punishes ~~gender~~ non-conformity

Fit the mold or die. Always the same.

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

To be fair, a Person with a PhD still can have Dunning-Kruger on other subjects.

Ben Carson is a great Neurosurgeon, but dumbass on politics.

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[–] Voyajer@lemmy.world 56 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Wait until they learn about XXY, XYY, and XO individuals.

[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There hugs AND kisses people?

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[–] joelfromaus@aussie.zone 26 points 1 day ago

I swear I was learning about extra X and Y in high school 20 years ago and that studies (at the time) were showing correlation between different traits displayed by effected people. Just that alone shows incredible gender fluidity.

So where we are, 20 years later, you’d think we’d have a better understanding within society but instead somehow it’s literally regressed since then.

[–] AbnormalHumanBeing@lemmy.abnormalbeings.space 52 points 1 day ago (3 children)

While this is very funny, and definitely representative of a sort of ignorance/arrogance commonly found in ideologues - I recently learned that most people talking about the effect have, in fact, been Dunning-Krugering themselves.

Insightful video on the topic.

What most people expect the effect to look like:

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What the actual results were:

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[–] anthropomorphized@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Fig 1 is a modified emotional change curve applied in learning and business settings. The term "Valley of Despair" is used in both concepts, and it's cool, memorable verbiage, but it shouldn't imply relation between Dunning-Kreuger and the change curve

https://forfengdesigns.com/tips-on-clawing-your-way-out-of-the-valley-of-despair-when-you-are-starting-a-new-business/

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Image description: A modified emotional change curve from Evocon with Y-Axis being "attitude during change process" and X-Axis is time. There are 6 emotional phases described on this chart: 1. Neutral attitude, no knowledge; 2. Initial excitement, motivated; 3. Denial, indifferent, passive, apathy; 4. Resistance, frustration, doubt, anxiety (this phase falls below neutral and is described as "The Valley of Despair"); 5. Exploration, energized, small wins, creative; 6. Commitment, enthusiasm, problem solving, focus, team work.

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[–] Blazingtransfem98@discuss.online 44 points 20 hours ago (7 children)

I think a lot of these XX XY "only two genders" people aren't just dunning Kruger, they're transphobic idiots with an agenda. So even if they had the science and knowledge it wouldn't matter because they're pushing their hateful stupid agenda, facts and logic be damned. They don't care, they just want to rationalize hating us trans people because we make them uncomfy.

[–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 16 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

I would honestly be very surprised if any Republican politicians actually care about sex or gender. I think they're just evil and those are convenient issues to divide the working class. When you don't have popular policy in real issues, you need to make up some fake ones to get people to still support you.

[–] drthunder@midwest.social 16 points 17 hours ago

The current moral panic about queer people is definitely manufactured, but the hatred that it's stirred up is still real. All the religious psychos in power (including Speaker of the House Mike Johnson) really believe that stuff and want to enforce their hierarchy.

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[–] psoul@lemmy.world 36 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

Can I get a T shirt that says “I have Dunning-Krueger and your Phd looks cute”? I just have a lot of BS to share and I don’t want to be sorry about it.

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[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 35 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

"Yeah but science can be proven wrong an change over time, while my beliefs and biases are forever!"

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[–] Zzyzx@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

You know how a bunch of villains are Dr. So-and-So? I bet it's dealing with morons talking about your area of expertise that leads to one's villain era.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 24 points 16 hours ago

One time a woman told me that my lack of a second X Chromosome meant I would "always be a man"

So I gaslit her into thinking her husband had klinefelters.

I hate how Republicans think transphobia is science

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 day ago (14 children)

Can someone explain to me how some XX people become cis male?

[–] match@pawb.social 70 points 1 day ago (3 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome

tldr biology is dice rolls and humans are intersex for no reason sometimes

on a side note one of my friends had this and she only found out when she started transitioning. she is now a trans woman with XX chromosomes. i can only imagine how fucking vindicating it must have felt

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[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 1 day ago

De La Chappell syndrome, congenital adrenal hyperplasia, androgen exposure in utero, ovotesticular disorder of of sex development all result in a person with cis male characteristics and in some cases cis male typical genitalia despite having xx chromosomes

[–] forrgott@lemm.ee 38 points 1 day ago

Gene expression is not as straightforward as people think. All sorts of weird shit can happen, and that's not even including gene mutations.

[–] evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

https://static.scientificamerican.com/sciam/assets/File/Pitch_sketch_final.png?w=2000

This is the best resource I've seen to show things relatively simply.

The TL;DR is that a whole "Y" chromosome isn't exactly responsible for "maleness", the SRY gene is. It's normally on the Y chromosome, but mutations can occur placing that gene onto the X chromosome. Inversely, someone could inherit a Y chromosome without that gene, in which case they would develop with female traits.

It's not considered trans because someone with 46XX plus the SRY gene would develop male genitalia, be identified as male at birth, and likely identify themselves as male. For some types of these conditions, there are plenty of people walking around with no clue that their chromosomes don't match their gender.

Disclaimer: I'm not a geneticist, so i could have explained something a little off.

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[–] OmnipotentEntity@beehaw.org 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I googled it for you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome

In 90 percent of these individuals, the syndrome is caused by the Y chromosome's SRY gene, which triggers male reproductive development, being atypically included in the crossing over of genetic information that takes place between the pseudoautosomal regions of the X and Y chromosomes during meiosis in the father.[2][7] When the X with the SRY gene combines with a normal X from the mother during fertilization, the result is an XX genetic male. Less common are SRY-negative individuals, those who are genetically females, which can be caused by a mutation in an autosomal or X chromosomal gene.[2] The masculinization of XX males is variable.

[–] Didros@beehaw.org 17 points 1 day ago

You've heard of xy people and xx people, but wait till you hear about X people!

Or xxx people, or xxy people, or... dies

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[–] holdstrong@lemm.ee 20 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

“It’s basic biology” mfs when advanced biology

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[–] alykanas@slrpnk.net 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

How do you know if someone has a PhD.?

They tell you

Never not true

I never tell people I have a PhD. It's rude, plus I don't have one.

[–] papertowels@mander.xyz 31 points 22 hours ago

I mean yeah, if you spent 5 years of your life pushing the edge of human understanding on a subject, and a shithead tells you to do the science on your research subject, it's relevant lol

[–] ygajbm2sjcxbggbc0zfb@lemmy.world 31 points 23 hours ago

Tbf, they kinda earned the right to brag.

[–] Franklin@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 day ago

True, but I do think it was warranted in this case.

[–] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 24 points 1 day ago

This is putting confirmation bias to the extreme.

[–] thevoidzero@lemmy.world 22 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Well you don't know people with PhD that don't tell you they have one

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[–] drtaco@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Sometimes they don't tell you and just quietly update all of their usernames...

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[–] 4oreman@lemy.lol 18 points 1 day ago (7 children)
[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

It may as well be astrophysics for some people.

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[–] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 15 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I'm a bit uninformed on this; it seems fascinating. Do these things happen due to something unusual during the growth of a fetus? What's the name for this phenomenon?

[–] dondelelcaro@lemmy.world 33 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

There's a bunch of them, but one more common example is Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome.

It's also possible to have a non-functional SRY (XY but female), or to be XX with an SRY translocation (XX but male).

Biology is complicated: pretty much anyone who says it only happens one way or is really simple is wrong.

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[–] EnthusiasticNature94@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I agree with Dr. Jey McCreight on the science.

But for determining truth, both sides are wrong here.

Dunning-Kruger is bad, but so is credentialism and appeal to authority.

Many people with PhD's have had Dunning-Kruger. Someone else mentioned Ben Carson being great at neurosurgery, but not politics.

A PhD doesn't make you infallible.

I am saying this as someone who is taking graduate-level courses and will be pursuing my PhD. When I'm correct, it's not because my future PhD causes reality to magically conform to my opinions - it's because I rigorously looked at the evidence, logic, and formed my own conclusion that better aligns with reality.

[–] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

You can even be incorrect on a subject you have expertise in.

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[–] LongLive@lemmy.world 11 points 12 hours ago (2 children)
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