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[–] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 139 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Confidently incorrect is the default with these people. I spend most of my time with family aggressively correcting misinformation about my field and related ones. They will die earlier thinking they know more because of Youtube. Getting them to stop taking bad health advice and mystery joint injections from a fucking chiropractor is the latest battle.

[–] vaguerant@fedia.io 88 points 22 hours ago (7 children)

The impression of legitimacy enjoyed by chiropractic is too damn high. I was well into my 20s before I ever heard a single word about it being pseudoscience. Walking around (usually on people's fucking spines) calling themselves doctors, I absolutely believed it was just some sub-variety of physiotherapy, which I guess is the point. In the whole universe of alternative medicine, I think that has to be the practice which has most effectively disguised itself as conventional medicine. It's gross.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 32 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I was well into my 20s before I ever heard a single word about it being pseudoscience.

every fucking tv show and film referring to them as some sort of curer of back issues probably doesn't help

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 8 points 20 hours ago

And the regs are really bad in the country making all that TV.

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 15 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I walked in to a chiropractors' office once to try and see if they'd take me for an appointment, found a brochure proudly proclaiming that chiropractic treatments can help cure autism and cancer, and turned right the fuck around and walked back out.

If you think you need a chiropractor you actually need a physical therapist and anyone trying to tell you otherwise is lying to you.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 12 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

I guess I should count myself lucky for where I grew up: there's a big/famous chiropractic school in this city, so this creepy motherfucker was on TV commercials all the time:

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Never mind quackery; I thought it was legitimately some sort of cult!

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[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 11 points 21 hours ago

The way chiropractic plays itself as the cure all for any ailment with regular "adjustments" is the real bullshit, it's straight up a sales pitch to get people in a recurring schedule for that sweet appointment revenue. Don't get me wrong, when I've thrown my back out the best and most immediate relief I've found is to have the guy super twist and crack my back loose just so I can get some mobility to stretch and walk. But the way they sell it as you need several appointments a week to stay "regular" is a crock of shit.

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[–] segabased@lemmy.zip 10 points 17 hours ago

I find irony that they disregard expert opinions on the things they are experts for (climate scientists for example) but will accept an entire worldview of opinions based on someone being "smart" like the opinion of a software engineer has on philosophy or politics.

Reject the expert on the subject they're an expert on because that makes them "elite" and they were trained to think that was bad, but accept an unfounded opinion of someone who may be smart in an unrelated field because the opinion is "different" so it must be "smart"

I think this is the trap all self assigned internet intellectuals fall into. They parrot opinions and vibes from echo chambers that discredit real science or real reporting and call it enlightenment. This in itself is stupid, but then even more stupid people are drawn in and suddenly we have a big club of geniuses

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[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 104 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (14 children)

Note how they always enshrine gender in biology, but then make all kinds of non-biological statements about what gender is.

"XX is woman"/"Large gametes is woman"/"can conceive is woman"

And then they'll say

"Women aren't as aggressive", "women are more emotional", "women like being in the home more", "those are women's clothes", etc.

The only reason it's so important for it to be biological is because of how it punishes gender non-conformity and makes the lives of trans people hell. Like it isn't ideologically consistent and they know that. They just don't care. If it was just about genitals or chromosomes, then why is it that gender dictates all these social things about us? The only reason to root gender in how you were born is to ensure gender roles are as rigid and immutable as possible.

[–] LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 42 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

how it punishes ~~gender~~ non-conformity

Fit the mold or die. Always the same.

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[–] Voyajer@lemmy.world 55 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Wait until they learn about XXY, XYY, and XO individuals.

[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 49 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

There hugs AND kisses people?

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[–] joelfromaus@aussie.zone 24 points 19 hours ago

I swear I was learning about extra X and Y in high school 20 years ago and that studies (at the time) were showing correlation between different traits displayed by effected people. Just that alone shows incredible gender fluidity.

So where we are, 20 years later, you’d think we’d have a better understanding within society but instead somehow it’s literally regressed since then.

[–] AbnormalHumanBeing@lemmy.abnormalbeings.space 52 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

While this is very funny, and definitely representative of a sort of ignorance/arrogance commonly found in ideologues - I recently learned that most people talking about the effect have, in fact, been Dunning-Krugering themselves.

Insightful video on the topic.

What most people expect the effect to look like:

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What the actual results were:

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[–] anthropomorphized@lemmy.world 14 points 18 hours ago

Fig 1 is a modified emotional change curve applied in learning and business settings. The term "Valley of Despair" is used in both concepts, and it's cool, memorable verbiage, but it shouldn't imply relation between Dunning-Kreuger and the change curve

https://forfengdesigns.com/tips-on-clawing-your-way-out-of-the-valley-of-despair-when-you-are-starting-a-new-business/

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Image description: A modified emotional change curve from Evocon with Y-Axis being "attitude during change process" and X-Axis is time. There are 6 emotional phases described on this chart: 1. Neutral attitude, no knowledge; 2. Initial excitement, motivated; 3. Denial, indifferent, passive, apathy; 4. Resistance, frustration, doubt, anxiety (this phase falls below neutral and is described as "The Valley of Despair"); 5. Exploration, energized, small wins, creative; 6. Commitment, enthusiasm, problem solving, focus, team work.

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 51 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

To be fair, a Person with a PhD still can have Dunning-Kruger on other subjects.

Ben Carson is a great Neurosurgeon, but dumbass on politics.

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[–] Blazingtransfem98@discuss.online 39 points 14 hours ago (6 children)

I think a lot of these XX XY "only two genders" people aren't just dunning Kruger, they're transphobic idiots with an agenda. So even if they had the science and knowledge it wouldn't matter because they're pushing their hateful stupid agenda, facts and logic be damned. They don't care, they just want to rationalize hating us trans people because we make them uncomfy.

[–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 14 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I would honestly be very surprised if any Republican politicians actually care about sex or gender. I think they're just evil and those are convenient issues to divide the working class. When you don't have popular policy in real issues, you need to make up some fake ones to get people to still support you.

[–] drthunder@midwest.social 14 points 11 hours ago

The current moral panic about queer people is definitely manufactured, but the hatred that it's stirred up is still real. All the religious psychos in power (including Speaker of the House Mike Johnson) really believe that stuff and want to enforce their hierarchy.

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[–] psoul@lemmy.world 34 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Can I get a T shirt that says “I have Dunning-Krueger and your Phd looks cute”? I just have a lot of BS to share and I don’t want to be sorry about it.

[–] miraclerandy@lemmy.world 10 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Actually, the science says you will feel regret and will grow to resent that shirt over time. /s

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 10 points 16 hours ago

That's because today's t-shirts are made of such poor materials.

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[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 29 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

"Yeah but science can be proven wrong an change over time, while my beliefs and biases are forever!"

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[–] Zzyzx@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

You know how a bunch of villains are Dr. So-and-So? I bet it's dealing with morons talking about your area of expertise that leads to one's villain era.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 8 points 14 hours ago

"That's doctor Evil. I didn't spend 8 years in evil medical school to be called mister, thank you very much."

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[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 24 points 22 hours ago (14 children)

Can someone explain to me how some XX people become cis male?

[–] match@pawb.social 68 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome

tldr biology is dice rolls and humans are intersex for no reason sometimes

on a side note one of my friends had this and she only found out when she started transitioning. she is now a trans woman with XX chromosomes. i can only imagine how fucking vindicating it must have felt

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[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 21 hours ago

De La Chappell syndrome, congenital adrenal hyperplasia, androgen exposure in utero, ovotesticular disorder of of sex development all result in a person with cis male characteristics and in some cases cis male typical genitalia despite having xx chromosomes

[–] forrgott@lemm.ee 38 points 22 hours ago

Gene expression is not as straightforward as people think. All sorts of weird shit can happen, and that's not even including gene mutations.

[–] evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world 23 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

https://static.scientificamerican.com/sciam/assets/File/Pitch_sketch_final.png?w=2000

This is the best resource I've seen to show things relatively simply.

The TL;DR is that a whole "Y" chromosome isn't exactly responsible for "maleness", the SRY gene is. It's normally on the Y chromosome, but mutations can occur placing that gene onto the X chromosome. Inversely, someone could inherit a Y chromosome without that gene, in which case they would develop with female traits.

It's not considered trans because someone with 46XX plus the SRY gene would develop male genitalia, be identified as male at birth, and likely identify themselves as male. For some types of these conditions, there are plenty of people walking around with no clue that their chromosomes don't match their gender.

Disclaimer: I'm not a geneticist, so i could have explained something a little off.

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[–] OmnipotentEntity@beehaw.org 22 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

I googled it for you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome

In 90 percent of these individuals, the syndrome is caused by the Y chromosome's SRY gene, which triggers male reproductive development, being atypically included in the crossing over of genetic information that takes place between the pseudoautosomal regions of the X and Y chromosomes during meiosis in the father.[2][7] When the X with the SRY gene combines with a normal X from the mother during fertilization, the result is an XX genetic male. Less common are SRY-negative individuals, those who are genetically females, which can be caused by a mutation in an autosomal or X chromosomal gene.[2] The masculinization of XX males is variable.

[–] Didros@beehaw.org 17 points 21 hours ago

You've heard of xy people and xx people, but wait till you hear about X people!

Or xxx people, or xxy people, or... dies

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[–] alykanas@slrpnk.net 21 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (9 children)

How do you know if someone has a PhD.?

They tell you

Never not true

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 43 points 18 hours ago

I never tell people I have a PhD. It's rude, plus I don't have one.

[–] Franklin@lemmy.ca 30 points 18 hours ago

True, but I do think it was warranted in this case.

[–] ygajbm2sjcxbggbc0zfb@lemmy.world 28 points 17 hours ago

Tbf, they kinda earned the right to brag.

[–] papertowels@mander.xyz 28 points 15 hours ago

I mean yeah, if you spent 5 years of your life pushing the edge of human understanding on a subject, and a shithead tells you to do the science on your research subject, it's relevant lol

[–] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 23 points 17 hours ago

This is putting confirmation bias to the extreme.

[–] thevoidzero@lemmy.world 21 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Well you don't know people with PhD that don't tell you they have one

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[–] drtaco@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Sometimes they don't tell you and just quietly update all of their usernames...

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 19 points 10 hours ago

One time a woman told me that my lack of a second X Chromosome meant I would "always be a man"

So I gaslit her into thinking her husband had klinefelters.

I hate how Republicans think transphobia is science

[–] 4oreman@lemy.lol 18 points 22 hours ago (7 children)
[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 12 points 21 hours ago

It may as well be astrophysics for some people.

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[–] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 15 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I'm a bit uninformed on this; it seems fascinating. Do these things happen due to something unusual during the growth of a fetus? What's the name for this phenomenon?

[–] dondelelcaro@lemmy.world 32 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

There's a bunch of them, but one more common example is Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome.

It's also possible to have a non-functional SRY (XY but female), or to be XX with an SRY translocation (XX but male).

Biology is complicated: pretty much anyone who says it only happens one way or is really simple is wrong.

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[–] LongLive@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago

I hope this criticism is valid :
https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2023/05/09/debunking_the_dunning-kruger_effect_898340.html!
and
https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2023/05/09/debunking_the_dunning-kruger_effect_898340.html!
...
There is a "people think they are better than average" rule, rather than whatever Dunning-Kreuger suggested.

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