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I have no confidence that Tesla will fix this before the planned Robo-Taxi rollout in Austin in 2 weeks.

After all, they haven't fixed it in the last 9 years that self-driving Teslas have been on the road.

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[–] dumbpotato@lemmy.cafe 93 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

They know these things are going to kill people; it's just inevitable.

Engineers are well aware of there being a cost-benefit analysis for saving human lives. O'Grady from Practical Engineering did a great video explaining how much a human life is worth to engineers. I think it was a little under $60k.

The purpose of reducing government oversight as much as possible is so that the cost of killing people is as low as possible.

It's not an on/off switch of government regulation. They know that every additional policy they can shift in their favor will translate to increased profits down the line as people inevitably die from these things.

[–] IllNess@infosec.pub 39 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Fight Club taught me the cost of human life to corporations.

If PredictedLawsuitLosses < CostOfRecall then RecallNotAnnounced

Human life doesn't factor in at all for them.

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[–] Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 week ago

Some of you may die~

But it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is why capitalists align with fascists.

Google, Meta, etc, are all taking the knee, because no regulation lets them slurp up our data. Target is shooting itself in the foot on DEI to appease stupid Mussolini, because a fascist autocrat doesn’t enforce labor protections.

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[–] theseer@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Damn, must suck living in the US

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[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I'd be down if and when they do better than human drivers. Until then, there's trains.

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[–] Two_Hangmen@midwest.social 61 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Much like the mass shootings in the U.S., there's literally no solution for this. /s

[–] AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well, what are we 'aposta do?!

Strangle these defenseless corporations with the same kind of regulations we continue to create and impose on small businesses? Do you even know who their father is?!

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[–] nuko147@lemm.ee 53 points 1 week ago (3 children)

So, the USA people are the beta testers, i guess.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

only Texans... (with the robotaxis)

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[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 40 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So motorcyclists weren't enough, they're going after kids now? Did they move their headquarters to israel?

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 39 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I knew I was better than a Tesla. I actually got my Class A for driving a school bus. I can legally drive pretty much anything on wheels, because the school bus pretty much requires everything. Even hazardous material training. Just in case the government needs to use a school bus to offload nuclear waste or something. I just like to think the kids are toxic. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

When I worked with kids, there were a lot of biohazards. Mostly shit, snot, and piss, but on a bus you'll probably get a fair bit of puke too. I'm guessing the driver has to clean the bus.

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[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I guess there's going to be a lot of heroes popping Robo-Taxi tires. To protect their community and all that.

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I recall that people blocked Waymo cars at one point by simply placing orange cones in front of them. Given Teslas only use cameras I wonder if you could just slap a sticker of an orange cone (or just a splash of orange paint) on the hood and confuse it enough that it wouldn’t move…

Edit: Or, if you really want to be a dick, get some black stickers (the stronger the glue the better) and surreptitiously put them over one or more cameras.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Given Teslas only use cameras

This still blows my mind. My fucking robot vacuum uses LiDAR, and multi-ton vehicles on public roads use cameras? Jesus Christ.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Well you see lidar cameras are expensive. Yeah... that's the excuse. No more questions" - Tesla whenever they are asked to explain themselves

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Actually the excuse Musk uses is that humans only use their eyes to drive, so that’s enough for cars as well.

Wrong on so many levels…

[–] Alaik@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Right... except for hearing horns, sirens or brakes screeching. Feeling a bump in the road and using the tactile feedback to determine if you should swerve or stop.

Elon Musk has been chaffeured the vast majority of his life and it shows.

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[–] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Did they try it with a lighter colored child?

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[–] NoForwardslashS@sopuli.xyz 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Correction: Robo-Taxis Hit the Child in 2 Weeks

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[–] franzcoz@feddit.cl 32 points 1 week ago

It's because it was so good that it knew it was a dummy and not a child /s

[–] peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world 29 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Let's not get carried away pretending America cares too much about children dying frfr.

[–] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah once they're out of the womb, fuck 'em. We only care about the unborn.

[–] halowpeano@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

They don't actually care about the unborn either. They just want women to suffer, that's always been the only goal.

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[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The article doesn’t mention anything about where the cars will be driving in Austin, but I reluctantly took a Waymo from the airport in Phoenix to a hotel and it did really well. Even slowed down for a guy who was jaywalking.

It ended up taking longer than expected because apparently they’re either require or trained on different roads than you would normally take (e.g. no highways). It did such a good job, though, that I ended up taking a Waymo a second time while there.

All this to say that it may not be ready for all roads, but is ready for some. Definitely still scary though.

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 76 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I believe Waymo has a better set of sensors (Lidar + Radar+ Cameras instead of just cameras), more processing power, and more research / time / resources spent on it compared to Tesla.

So it's not that we aren't ready for self driving taxis, but rather about which cars are ready to provide that service

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think Waymo is also trying to prioritize safety. I was in San Francisco recently and took one, just out of curiosity, from my hotel to a Giants game. It seemed to stop when pedestrian traffic got heavy instead of going all the way to the stadium. So, like three blocks from the stadium. No biggie. I might have told a human taxi driver I could walk from there.

I’m not sure if it’s a California regulation or Waymo trying to play it safe but I will never get in a self-driving car regulated by Texas and designed to the specifications of one of history’s biggest dumbasses.

[–] dumbpotato@lemmy.cafe 13 points 1 week ago

Texas is a shithole that only exists to serve businessmen at this point.

That's why elon and republicans love it so much.

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[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Makes sense. There were sensors alll over that thing.

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[–] KayLeadfoot@fedia.io 26 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Waymo is really interesting - you probably wouldn't guess it, I'm a cautiously optimistic autonomy person! Waymo is already 12x safer than human drivers, that's brilliant, I love that.

Teslas will (allegedly) start on a small, low-complexity street grid in Austin. exact size TBA. Presumably, they're mapping the shit out of it and throwing compute power at analyzing their existing data for that postage stamp.

The rub... that all points out the obvious danger of rolling out the wild-west FSD that Tesla drivers are currently employing everywhere else. If it's safe enough to trust to drive your car for you, why does it need a ton of additional guard-rails to operate without a safety driver?

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[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I am optimistic about self driving, just not Teslas. Unlike other self driving cars, Tesla is exlusively reliant on cameras. Others, like Waymo, have cameras, lidarr sensors and radar.

[–] frunch@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's weird--Tesla at least projected some sort of 'higher-end' quality back when they first started coming around but as time has gone on it's proven itself to be a very cheaply-made vehicle.

The fact they insist on using their proven-inferior tech for FSD tells you all you need to know: they aren't looking to innovate or even bring themselves up to modern standards. They are determined to make their cars with the cheapest, shittiest tech and they'll just grease the right palms in order to proceed as necessary.

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 26 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Texas releasing these things in public is horrifying. Tesla is last in this field, and refuses to add LIDAR, which is obviously what is needed.

[–] AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (3 children)

My $60 robot vacuum has lidar....

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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 21 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The children were hamas obviously

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[–] DarkShaggy@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

If their "AI" wind shield wipers could identify.....rain?....I'd be more hopeful about identifying a child.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Move fast and break things!

[–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

Move fast and break ~~things~~ schoolchildren!

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I still don't get how anyone thought this notion was ever considered a good strategy for anything... it clearly shows these people have no skin in the game because there is no way they would break their own things

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[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Tesla be like: Yeet the child!

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[–] frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world 15 points 1 week ago

I wonder if the FSD disengaged mere seconds before impact so Tesla can blame anything but their shitty software.

[–] Grizzlyboy@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It hits the road in America. And considering the state of that country, this isn’t even near the list of problems atm.

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[–] hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 week ago

Worth saving this article for future class actions. Go go go!

[–] Goretantath@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago

Well DUH! It's trained off of the asshats who drive them, and most of them blow right past flashing red school buses and stop signs.

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