JFC, the US was already doing that. How does anyone, let alone 150 million Americans, take this idiot seriously?
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Well, it’s only about 70 million Americans that support this shit.
And another 30 million that didn't take him seriously and didn't vote like a bunch of fucking idiots.
Who you gonna sell tanks and ships to when no one trusts you to shut it off if you've filled your diaper?
No one. They're not planning to sell them, they're planning to use them.
Nazi Germany made a lot of tanks too, and they weren't exactly looking to be the world's arms dealer.
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the American people (hopefully)
Well then why are you slapping tariffs on shoes and t-shirts Donnie? You fucking knob
So why are there tariffs on clothes? Why have you shown the US to be an unreliable military partner and spurred other countries to invest in their own domestic (or semi-domestic in case of EU partnerships) arms industry?
Ah yes a tank for every home and a technology in every pot.
I don't want to pay to maintain an Abrams, but am quite happy with my insulated electric kettle that has a temperature readout. Can we just skip the tank?
Then why the fuck did he put tariffs on the t-shirts? What a fucking dumbass. How is this country so full of stupid that this man was elected twice?!?
I couldn't possibly tell you where it started, or every factor, but in the 90s there was a BIG push, in the msm, to have "both sides" opinions on everything. This was pushed by everyone, but championed by Fox. This is when I started to see people with brain dead takes, being taken as seriously, on msm, as people who have been working/studying the topic for decades. I always associated the start of this bullshit with this movement. This is where I first really started to see the "my ignorant opinion is as legitimate as your professional expertise" garbage being mainstreamed.
Someone nee got into his ear and just like that his direction changed…
So if you put crazy tariffs on clothing and don't want to have clothing made in the US, do you expect people to run around naked on the long run?
That works better in Florida than it does in Minnesota.
That's fine because the tanks are heated.
I love confident people explaining how a supply chain works in an advanced economy, especially when they have no clue how any of this stuff is made.
Can't read a book, but are experts on everything from medicine to macroeconomics.
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Does the US import military hardware? I thought it was one of the largest arms manufacturers in the world.
I do know it doesn’t produce as much steel as other countries these days.
Western MIC is a collaborative effort, though the US has enough sway to either demand that American companies get the licenses to make foreign weapons, or for foreign companies to open factories (if not whole subsidiary companies) in the US. More for strategic reasons than economic ones.
The main gun on the Abrams tank is a German Rheinmetall design. The AT4 rocket we use is Swedish. We buy a lot of H&K (Germany) and FN (Belgium) small arms, in fact the latter is the main supplier of the M4 these days.
Mostly international cooperation on developing weapon systems. F-35, NASAMS, naval strike missile, RIM-116 and some Abrams parts fall under that. It gurantees international customers and lowers US development costs. Sometimes the US likes a foreign weapon systems and buys some. That is rarer though.
Still the US exports a lot more then it imports.
God damn… we’re back to being on about obsolete tanks again? Fuck. Stop.
I remember seeing a lot of new tanks sitting unused and unwanted in some flyover state. The governor kept people making tanks because it would’ve killed jobs in his state.
"Bro we need just one more Abrams I promise" -> Not something US generals say as far I know.
Please give him back his pacifier, and for christ sake stop taking it away from him!
One drone can take out a tank these days. Granted those are Russian designed tanks. But just thinking how my thought of what a tank could do has evaporated watching probably 100 YouTube videos of this happening.
They are taking out some US-made ones, harder, but still not justifying the cost of a tank even remotely.
Tanks are obsolete in the old sense.
This isn't true. Tanks role in doctrine has changed. How the US would fight with drones on the field is completely different than how Ukraine or Russia are fighting.
"How the US would" would be subject to rapid change in real conditions before it adapts its doctrine to modern warfare. Since it's the US with plenty of money in the defense and powerful companies that desperately want to test new and more efficient ways at solving problems, yeah it would.
However right now what's known of US drones and approaches seems to be kinda expensive garbage. Good thing is that such relatively close engagements are secondary for its doctrine.
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Tanks end up at the police station. The military doesn’t want them.
Those are generally APCs, thank god. I can only imagine the shit US cops would get up to with an actual tank
russian tanks are designed for the ease of use and survivabulity of the tank, they are fast, weakly armored, big gun, have only 3 people (gunner, commander and driver) operating with an auto-loader for ammo, which means that all the loaded munition sits right under the people, and that's why you see russian tanks go boom the instant something hits them
western tanks are designed for the survivability of the personnel, they are slower but with much more anti-tank defense, balistic shields, and have 4 people (gunner, loader, commander and driver), one more then the soviet tanks, because the extra man is the loader, which brings the ammo from the shielded munitions compartment to the gun, making it so that in the event of the tank blowing up, it just stops and breaks down but the troops inside are safe
For example:
Russian tank getting hit by a drone (watch the whole video, it has the drone's pov as well)
That's a bit of a simplification. IRL a western tank being hit often still means that the crew is dead. Especially now.
Also Soviet tanks' auto-loader, I think, was there for better loading times, not ease of use. Soviet tanks were part of a doctrine where survivability wasn't that important for either crew or tank, what mattered was achievable scale of production and deployment and firepower and speed. That's initially, and later, well, better loading times still look good at maneuvers and the Soviet Union didn't have much war until Afghanistan and its dissolution.
Anyway. Said western tank with its surviving crew will just be taken care of a bit later. Its crew won't be able to get away, cause some drone will drop a grenade at them. It won't be able to just sit in the tank, because enemy infantry will likely retrieve them, and breathing smoke is not good.
While the fact remains that a cheap drone kills an expensive tank.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Cheers
But can a tank "do the AI thing", as it were?
AI tanks. What could go wrong?
Well, if we're talking about the Tachikomas from Ghost in the Shell, it wouldn't be all bad. They were capable of enlightenment and self-sacrifice.
those are japanese tanks, which are more advanced.
Tesler makes tanks, the inside of the tank is all computors, xonputors do AI. Get it together man
If Baby Trump wants to make more big military things and ships why not invest in natural disaster response equipment the whole fire department and make modular frames that can be multipurposed... We really need more climate protection.
See, you already fucked up with having climate in your post.
A for effort
C for execution
Didn't the military specifically ask for no more tanks
Always knew he was a tankie. Fucking wankie
…so please shut up about it and be happy subsidizing the tanks by paying the tariffs on shirts and sneakers. You pay, we play. Be happy about this.
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Tanks.
How very Russian.
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