People forgot what Trump was like 4 years ago and re elected him. So no, it will not facilitate any change.

That's a legit societal theory called "accelerationism". Make everything so awful that people will realize what's happening and instigate massive backlash.

Except... the first time this was tried, in the 30's, we got WWII instead of solutions. So maybe not that great of an idea after all.

You should read some US history if you think that is going to happen.

At best there will be slight improvement for a couple decades while nobody in the administration or who helped to destroy the government suffers any consequences and they just do it all over again.

I have cystic fibrosis, it’s a genetic disease and my lungs are (were, I got a new set) especially impacted, I thought COVID could possibly change the world for the better for people like me, improved access via remote work or telehealth etc. that people would be more reasonable and understanding to those with lung disease, that the medical sector would start looking more heavily into lung health, lung rehabilitation, the issues around lung disease and immune-disregulation etc. but really very little has happened and there’s been no significant permanent changes and people chose to keep denying illness and disability exist… I think the virus of the trump presidency running through the US will have the same negative effect where a lot of people die and not much else happens

Thought this would happen the first time, woke up to him winning again.

Shit needs to get a lot worse before it gets better apparently

There’s three ways to get rid of cancer:

• Poison it. Diminish its numbers to the point where it never comes back.
• Excise it. Cut it away from the rest of the host.
• Do nothing. It’ll die once it consumes the host.

Eating granola and berries or sitting there with hopes and praying for change is option 3. I’m on team option 1. Time to get active.

There's so much negativity here... Don't let it take away your hope.

Things are looking really bad right now, yeah, but losing hope only ensures misery.

"Hope for the best, prepare for the worst."

"Let the OrphanGrindingMachine cook," he said to the crowd.

The problem is that there are 70+ million "frogs" in this country who are being told that being boiled alive is good for them - and they believe it without question, and will fight anyone that says otherwise.

This post breaks literally rules #1, #2 and #3 of this community. Crazy.

Mods please wake up and DO YOUR JOB.

Making things worse only makes things worse.

If the Reagan administration's legacy is any indication, no, no it won't. Things will continue being fucked and getting worse decades from now.

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no, but it will be good for punk rock and comedians… everything else will hurt.

Things have to get real bad before people realize they need to get better. I’m hoping that happens here

Reading these responses is so sad. I can see that a large number of people on here have fully embraced cynicism and active pessimism. This is the most damaging attitude possible when trying to create change. If you have this mindset, you're not only not helping to make positive change, you're actively working to drain any energy from those who might be in a better and more productive place than you.

To the OP, don't give up hope. There are thousands of people around the country working right now to change things and resist the downfall of our country in whatever ways they can. The number is growing every day with each new outrage and attack, and energy is building quickly. If you can't donate your time, donate your money to progressive organizations (look up the 50501 project for help finding them).

Nothing is going to change with blind optimism, but history is on our side, and it shows that when things start to hurt for people in their day to day lives, real change is possible. This is not the first fascist takeover in history, and it won't be the last. Some older folks have literally lived through similar times in our own country (see: McCarthyism for example). Nothing is inevitable and no one can predict the future, no matter how believable their claims may sound.

To the cynics, you're absolutely allowed to feel how you feel. I feel quite cynical myself a lot of the time, too. Just remember that when you mock and shout down people trying to move forward, you help create the future you're so resigned to. Not all of us are so ready to roll over and take it. If you won't help, please at least get out of the way.

/soapbox

Thats called "Accelerationism" and its stupid, as history keeps proving

Long-winded product of a quick brainstorm session incoming...

So, Americans will have two options:

1. Wait it out passively. Corporate infrastructure/services will become more prevalent and take the place of governmental agencies as they default due to debt and mismanagement (a position they've been put in through the decades thanks to defunding, with Elon's DOGE being the latest of villains in this story). Get ready for corporate cities, and conglomerates being the de facto rulers of America. As governmental power wanes and after the eventual American balkanization, you'll be part of the Amazon Republic of Arizona or whatever. Idk what happens after that.

2. Somehow, Americans fight both corporate and governmental power, through the creation of alternative supply chains, alternative (labour based, for instance) currency and become more self sufficient. Americans are heavily armed as well and, while incapable of fighting an army of drones, it should be enough of a deterrent (especially if the power structure collapses and infighting amongst oligarchs happens but these post American cooperative societies stand by each other). Communities with immigrants that still have connections to the civilized world might help bring foreign aid and intervention. However, this requires trust, empathy, prosociality, generosity and critical thought. You and I both know Americans are famous for lacking in all of those attributes so I don't really see how they'll get it together quickly (and no, American Christian dogma, which is even more cursed and against the actual teachings of Jesus than the Catholic dogma, cannot offer a solution).

God willing something will happen to snap Americans out of their white ethnonationalist, imperialistic fantasies and into love for humanity, and God does do miracles, but I'm not very optimistic. It might just be the new Sodom and Gomorrah, NGL.

Finally, there's a reason the Western mind can only picture Mad Max when the government collapses: even they know they're completely amoral and uncivilised, the only force holding society together is fear of legal repercussions/getting killed by the cops. By themselves, for the sake of being good and prosocial and to have some self respect, they won't do shit.

And maybe cotton candy will shoot out of my butt and feed all the starving orphans.

The frog jumps out when it's uncomfortable no matter how slow you heat the water, despite what the meme tells you. The issue is that there's plenty of people more than willing to provide yet another pot of water to boil for the frog to jump into, because the frog just wants out, it doesn't care where it goes.

That's what I thought COVID would do and here we are

The USA is taking one for the global team rn. We're a shining example of exactly what not to do, what roads to avoid, and who to not become.

The masses are poor and uneducated. Under Trump they will get further uneducated, allowing this to happen more often.

I’m not an American and I don’t live in America. I don’t have much knowledge in this but, I’m quite pessimistic on that regard.

Have you seen other countries? Fascism, hatred and racism are unfortunately on the rise. To name a few; Israel, India, Germany, The Netherlands and Italy (I think it was Italy that had a year* ago or something, bunch of Nazis in standing ovation with their hand ups for their “fallen comrade”);

Chilling Video Shows Hundreds of Far-Right Activists Giving Fascist Salute

This usually happens, yes.

After millions people have died.

Not worth it. Trump and the other right wing extremists should have been stopped years ago.

Maybe COVID will be so bad that it will facilitate me go get into exercise

Health, being about people or countries, does not work that way.

That is what I'm assuming too.

Would be nice if it wouldn't be causing so much death, destruction and suffering before you got there