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[–] MTK@lemmy.world 240 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Up to 10 years is crazy. Sure, what he did was wrong, planned and malicious, and they claim it cost them tens of thousands of dollars. But 10 years? This is crazy for something that at worst would be a yearly salary of a single employee.

Fucking capitalism.

[–] booly@sh.itjust.works 54 points 1 day ago

"Up to 10 years" is the maximum possible for that type of crime. Actual sentencing guidelines for a $500k loss for a first time offender will probably come out to about 2, maybe 3 years.

In order for the recommended sentence to hit 10 years, we'd have to be talking about damage of over $550 million, or something like a long criminal history.

Substantial disruption of critical infrastructure would get someone to around 5 years, as a reference.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

allegedly costing hundreds of thousands of dollars in losses.

Also it's sabotage, which might attract heavier penalties than mere theft?

[–] booly@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Actually for federal sentencing, property destruction is punished under the same table as theft. It's mostly measured from the amount of loss to the victims, whether the person actually profited from it or not.

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[–] PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 18 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Now to make it worse, ask this, "If the corporation did 10 times this amount of damage, but to the general citizens of the country, how many people would go to jail?"

That's right 0 people would go to jail! And they would only be fined for no more than 10% of the profit they made while doing it. Maybe someone like a jr director of operations gets tossed in jail, but he wasnt really apart of the club.

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[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 144 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I worked for a company once that installed a remote-activation killswitch in their drivers, as a secret weapon to force the customer to stay current on their maintenance contract.

The CEO was a fuckup however, and the code killed their system even without being activated - resulting in a bunch of angry phonecalls and some of the most egregious lying I've ever heard.

god, he was a piece of shit

[–] _core@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 day ago

Sounds like lawsuit territory

[–] GhostlyPixel@lemmy.world 134 points 1 day ago (4 children)

This kill switch, the DOJ said, appeared to have been created by Lu because it was named "IsDLEnabledinAD," which is an apparent abbreviation of "Is Davis Lu enabled in Active Directory."

Lu named these codes using the Japanese word for destruction, "Hakai," and the Chinese word for lethargy, "HunShui,"

[Lu]’s "disappointed" in the jury's verdict and plans to appeal

No, this guy is cooked, there’s even evidence of him looking up how to hide processes and quickly delete files, absolutely no way an appeal would work out for him, I don’t think an “I got hacked” argument is going to work.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 75 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It would only work if he owned the code and the company stopped paying. There's lots of precedent for that.

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[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I take it he hasn't heard about "hiding things in the open".

That would be, for example, using a constant of some near year in "end time" column meaning unfinished action.

Or just making some part that will inevitably have to be changed - "write-only", as in unreadable. Or making documentation of what he did bad enough in some necessary places that people would have to ask him.

So many variants, and such obvious stupidity.

[–] Tramort@programming.dev 10 points 1 day ago

That's an amazing point, actually

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[–] S13Ni@lemmy.studio 124 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Lol everyone probably fantasizes about such thing sometimes, but even if you weren't caught, it's not worth it to personally be bitter like that.

Just got laid off and could had done the same. Except I don't have to. Internal systems are so bad and undocumented and I was like only IT specialist there who could use linux, and so many things related to core businesses were just basically behind me.

The kill switch has made it self. Funny how I would have written more documentation if I ever was given the time.

[–] heavydust@sh.itjust.works 64 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Same for my last job. My bosses and managers harassed and insulted me. They said I was useless and stupid.

I quit with 3 months of "notice" (standard in France to help you find a new job). They didn’t care during those 3 months. In the last week they panicked because they could not find a replacement that did everything I fixed every day.

I also interviewed my replacement, a junior out of school with big diplomas. When I asked if he knew Linux, he said "not really." I thought "they are fucked with this guy." They wanted to hire him because he was the son of some guy. I said to my boss that he would be a perfect fit for the company.

Unknowingly I was the kill switch. I sent them one last email with all the information they needed and told them to go fuck themselves in a polite way.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

but even if you weren't caught, it's not worth it to personally be bitter like that.

Really depends on what you do for a living... Non-profit? Sure. Weapons manufacturer? Fucking have at it.

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

But don't be stupid about it. Stash a date somewhere that you manually update every so often (so that it'll stop being updated if you're fired) and then add a bunch of random waits whose durations scale with the time since that date. If you're worried that the code will be found, comment it with some bullshit about avoiding race conditions.

...and now I can't use that idea, since this comment would be used in court. If I did it to a weapons manufacturer, they'd probably get the death penalty somehow.

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[–] S13Ni@lemmy.studio 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fair but I wouldn't ever work for weapons manufacturing. Also sabotage in that context would have heavy punishment, and at worst could cause collateral damage.

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[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I didn't plant anything and I could still brick the production backends of a former employer because some poor ass decisions were made when choosing technologies and then when I pointed it out that it's pretty bad the technology was stuck with so literally all it takes is sending 2-3 requests so all pods die.

But why do it.

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[–] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 113 points 22 hours ago

your honor, I would move to dismiss on grounds that my clients actions were based as fuck.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 109 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Weird that these protections exist for corporations that aren't actually people but no protections exist for the person who was fired.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 47 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Exactly my thought. A corporation destroys people's lives by firing them? Nothing. Someone actually pushes back? Suddenly the government gets involved.

[–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Eg pictures of dozens of police protecting tesla dealerships

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[–] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

yeah it's pretty crazy. almost like government is for some things and not others, and knows it, like maybe laws were always just an excuse and tool for victim blaming. or something.

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[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 88 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

I’m disappointed they found so much in his search history. Do these people not have phones? In this day and age with everyone carrying a smartphone, there’s no excuse for using work computers for personal activities

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 25 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Did it say they went through his work search history? Everything you search on Google with your IP or through your account is recorded, in case law enforcement knocks. Don’t think using a phone protects you. Use a trusted VPN in a separate browser if you want to search for things and not have them show up in court.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 24 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

In this day and age with everyone carrying a smartphone, there’s no excuse for using work computers for personal activities

There are plenty of reasons, mostly amounting to "Nobody tends to give a fuck" and "I'm not running out to buy a second high end laptop just to casually browse the web from my couch on the weekend".

What you've got is a very poorly enforced, very draconianly executed set of deliberately vague and inarticulate rules that vary from company to company. And none of that really has anything to do with the "kill switch" thing. In the same way you might say "Well but obviously nobody should smoke weed in a state that criminalizes it! That's just stupid!" when you've got the police tearing apart a particular person's house for a completely unrelated issue, based on an officer's exclamation of "I smell weed!" at the front porch.

Just accept you live in a police state and stop buying into excuses made to surveil and punish.

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The smart criminals never get caught...

That's why you only hear about the dumb ones

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 17 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

don't underestimate how lazy and stupid even the smartest person can be.

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[–] Korkki@lemmy.ml 85 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Why do kill switches when you can just hog all the work of maintaining some critical part of the infrastructure and make it's functioning and maintenance so opaque and impenetrable that the employer can't replace or fire you without their shit catching fire soon after. It doesn't have to be malicious or illegal.

https://youtu.be/0jK0ytvjv-E

His efforts to sabotage their network began that year, and by the next year, he had planted different forms of malicious code, creating "infinite loops" that deleted coworker profile files, preventing legitimate logins and causing system crashes

I wish this guy was were actually politically motivated, but he seems to have been just really petty minded person.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 day ago

Why do kill switches when you can just hog all the work of maintaining some critical part of the infrastructure and make it's functioning and maintenance so opaque and impenetrable that the employer can't replace or fire you without their shit catching fire soon after.

This is literally my firm's core business practice. We've been at it for so long that at this point we have to be included in competing bids because we are the only ones in the world that can do certain specific things.

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago

That's what my old company used to do. You did this? Do a KT to some underpaid remote employee and when they leave it's again your responsibility to maintain it, alongside the new bugs and spaghetti they introduced.

We once told a SP50 customer that we would not provide a business critical service because an employee went on sabatical for a month and she had the only working version on her cookery computer. At that point the customer was so integrated with us that it would take them years to replace us.

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[–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 68 points 1 day ago (4 children)

So when company do it it's fine but when we do it to companies it's not?

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 22 points 1 day ago

Naturally. Advantage, privilege and money should only be in the hands of those who run large companies or better.

If that made you angry, bear in mind that's what most top level company executives think. Well, actually they don't think it, they know it unconsciously as the true order of the universe they inhabit and they get really uncomfortable should it even look vaguely like someone might be trying a competing philosophy to their own.

To be fair though, most people get really uncomfortable when something might undermine even part of the philosophy they live by.

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[–] sundrei@lemmy.sdf.org 56 points 1 day ago (2 children)

For the last time, I didn't leave a kill switch -- I just refused to document anything!

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[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I’m the lone human being who understands the code behind the byzantine financial operation of my org. No kill switch necessary.

Pro tip: your poorly thought out business rules can lead to stupidly complex processes.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 day ago

Look at me, I am the killswitch now.

[–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 day ago

I work on a small team and recently realized my boss is falling victim to survivorship bias. Another colleague and I handle our work, which is mission critical to the org, competently and fairly opaquely, only raising issues as they arise. However some other members of our team have less critical but more visible work that they tend to bungle. The department invests hiring dollars, training efforts, and materials purchases in service of remediating those issues. But my colleague and I are both burned out, eyeing the door, and fully aware there’s no one who understands what we do or is capable of doing it within our organization - aside from each other, but our respective scope of work is non-overlapping and there’s truly not wiggle room to cross train or support each other’s work. I’ve said all I know to say to leadership about this issue but they seem willfully ignorant.

When one of us goes, I think the other will follow quickly. Hiring takes almost 2 months at my work, so the gap/lack of knowledge transfer will make for a huge shit show.

[–] Vanth@reddthat.com 36 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Initially makes me wonder how the employer could be so dumb as to give one employee so much access. But then I remember a former employer of mine did the same and worse.

Colleague was known for writing his comments in such a way that only he could read them, including mixing in German (US based company doing all business in English). He was also the admin of our CAD system and would use it as leverage to get his way on things, including not giving even default user access to engineers he didn't like. We migrated systems and everyone was thinking, "this is it, the chance to root this guy out of the admin position" and... they gave him admin access again. Not even our IT department had the access he had. I left before the guy retired / was fired, this post is making me wonder if he left peacefully or left bricking the CAD system out.

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[–] glitch1985@lemmy.world 36 points 19 hours ago

I'd argue that he gave them extra code, a bonus if you will.

[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 36 points 1 day ago

Talk about incentivizing us to make even more impactful kill switches!

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[–] IHeartBadCode@fedia.io 33 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Oh yeah, but the thing that usually offsets the intrusive thoughts is a lot of courts treat this as the crime of "hurting rich people" which comes with like 30 years in pound you in the ass penitentiary.

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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A 55-year-old software developer

... and...

Lu had worked at Eaton Corp. for about 11 years when he apparently became disgruntled by a corporate "realignment" in 2018 that "reduced his responsibilities," the DOJ said.

So he was 48 at the time he started this. Was he planning on retiring from all work at 48? I can't imagine any other employer would want to touch him with a 10ft (3.048 meters) pole after he actively sabotaged his prior employer's codebase causing global outages.

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[–] captainjaneway@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago

He fucked up. But it's also kinda funny.

[–] cookedslug@lemm.ee 23 points 1 day ago

guy really tagged his name on the kill function, which was running on his own system. smh my head

[–] mostlikelyaperson@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

Tbh, what shocks me the most about this is how sloppy this appears to have been executed.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

and unlike dennis nedry, he didn't have to get killed by a dinosaur to do it.

[–] Earflap@reddthat.com 16 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

I developed a spreadsheet for a company I worked for a few jobs ago. When I left I used a picture of Dennis to lock everyone out of the spreadsheet but only for one day, months after I left. Stupid idea, but felt good.

Edit: this was it:

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[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 14 points 19 hours ago

I had created a few things on Google sheets that my coworkers were using. It wasn't anything groundbreaking, but one was a spreadsheet I'd made that had all of our driver's availability to assist with scheduling. The sheets were on my personal account, and we didn't end on good terms, so I just locked them all out. It was funny getting all the texts asking for access the next day. I told them to make their own.

[–] Cinder_bloc@lemmy.world 21 points 3 hours ago

Every person that has worked in a sysadmin type role, has joked about doing something like this. Very few actually carry through with it. So, in a way, I kinda like this guy for actually doing it, even if he didn’t cover his tracks very well.

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 17 points 1 day ago

That’s hilarious.

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